To think we are heading for a full 2 week national half term lockdown

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DS’s school ramping up the preparation to teach on MS teams & making sure they can all use it & have the tech in place.

Teachers indicating that it’s going to be half term plus another couple of weeks after.

Given the rising numbers, it’s seems more likely that’s what’s coming - and maybe even a full lockdown this time & not the half arsed one we had before.

Aibu? I am worried as my kids really hated it last time but with so many new cases, it just seems the likely path

I don’t think so flax. We now have a greater understanding of what this is, how to treat it, how to test.

The gov is a shambles with tracing etc but the risks are now more understood too. Area lockdowns might happen but I think deeply worrying for national.

Hope it’s not national. Cases are low where I am in the South and according to the Zoë app the curve of cases is flattening already.

100% going to happen

The result of the last lockdown nearly had this country on its knees and the lockdown certainly wasn’t half arsed where I live. Schools closed, shops closed, people losing their jobs. People worrying about paying their bills and trying to look after their children. You sound like we are just be on holiday for a couple of weeks. You can’t just spring a lockdown on people, they have plans to make, things to cancel or organise. Children have got exams lined up. Basically we don’t know if there will even be another lock-down so stop scare-mongering...

Agree with everything Clopper said. So many people seem desperate to have another lockdown!

We are self employed and live in a flat with three young children. The first lockdown was incredibly stressful financially, and also because it was very difficult for the children to stay indoors so much. Add to that a minor but painful dental emergency and an additional health concern which couldn't be adressed.

All that being said my main concern is the economy. What will become of the country if we keep locking down in an endless loop?

I suspect it's very different if money is not a problem, and you have a garden, or like some people we know, a lovely house in the country to relocate to.

I’m really not so sure?
As a Headteacher we have had no indication of this from the DfE.
We have to have a virtual offer in place due to potential bubble isolations.

@NRatched

Has anyone actually wondered whether all these kids in school just have colds? And are testing +ve because the virus is so prevalent now that absolutely stacks of people have or have had it

I think theres a huge element of this to it. People presenting asymptomsatically with covid, would previously have not been included in the figures as they wouldn't test. But if they get a normal winter cold, some of the symptoms match, so they get a test and the covid is picked up where it would not be otherwise. If we are to believe that loads of people do not even get ill, and I am sure I have read figures as high as 80% who have no symptoms?

It would be quite interesting to get a load of random population testing done I think. To find out just how many have it (or have had it). I suspect the number of infected is, and always has been WAY higher than suspected. Which in turn would mean the death/serious infection rate was much lower than we feared, if it turns out more had it but were fine. So it would be a good thing to find this out.

The ONS are doing some, but I'm not sure if it's testing to see if the people involved actually have covid now or have the antibodies. There are posters on here who've been involved though.

Imperial college are doing randomised testing to see if people currently have if or have had it. Two members of my extended family were sent the two different tests. Neither were positive.

We in italy were in "proper" lockdown for 2 months.....most people live in flats & we managed somehow.....probably because from the begining (march) we were fined for being outside for reasons other than shopping or medical emergencies (we took it in turns to shop) & people respected this......i live in a tourist city...all italians with masks ...not so the tourists...

i think full lock down will not resolve issue. business already in crisis.
how we going to survive.
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@Teabag37

We in italy were in "proper" lockdown for 2 months.....most people live in flats & we managed somehow.....probably because from the begining (march) we were fined for being outside for reasons other than shopping or medical emergencies (we took it in turns to shop) & people respected this......i live in a tourist city...all italians with masks ...not so the tourists...

What’s it like in Italy now-how much back to ‘normal’ are things? Working from home, mask wearing, schools, pubs etc?

My friend teaches in Milan. She has said kids wear masks all day, staggered starts and ends, zoning of year groups, reduced class sizes. She used to teach here. She is glad she is there and not here to teach.

monkey
But Milan has a high case load
so what they are doing is not working ....

There has been a pollution link to worse cases of covid so I would not envy anyone working in Milan at present.

I don't agree with children being forced to wear masks all day either.

@tempnamechange98765 yes I heard the report from the Welsh minister. Whether or not it is spread in schools,it is IN schools - now in one third of them. I am not disputing how it is spread, but as I have already said, it only takes a small % of the teaching staff to be off ill or self isolating to make it very difficult to keep schools fully open. There are only so many supply teachers available and most teachers do not have enough non contact time to be available to cover lessons for absent colleagues.

Actually this is what he said - "At the Welsh Government coronavirus briefing, Health Minister Vaughan Gething said there was no evidence of Covid-19 spreading at schools.

So far transmission has "taken place outside of the school" or between "adults working in the school"

Not sure how that works really - it's not spreading in schools but is being transmitted between adults working in the school. So the staff are in fact getting the virus in school?

Or colleagues are socialising outside of school?

That’s not a dig at teachers by the way (I was one once) and I’m not expecting them all to be behaving like recluses. But the way staff bubbles work there should be fairly limited contact in school, no?

I got an email from my children’s school today with a reminder to check they are able to work from home should the need arise. We have been asked to make sure email logins etc are all working. I was also told last week by a teaching friend that we are to heading for a two week half term to be announced in our area. I’m in the south east of the UK.

government '' trying to put its arms around the public .'' not for for those who have lost loved ones to covid and lost jobs at the same time as well as the mental effects of being isolated during lockdown and not having support . its one thing losing someone to a disease but to have the ground pulled from your feet ontop everything else is just making people suffering worse . government can accept people dying of ebloa , and flu and of other diseases but yet its not acceptable someone dying covid 19 .
its time the government stops giving covid 19 to much attention and let the public deal with this as they choose .
did shutting down our schools and banning HIV positive children from school during HIV pandemic in the 1980's benefit the children or blaming the gay community for spreading the disease help back then . no it did not .
did large scale lockdowns and social distancing help to stop millions and millions deaths of flu pandemics . no it did not .

why would covid 19 be any different to to those that have been mentioned above , its no different to any virus airborne disease in the terms it behaves 89% with no symptoms 11% with symptoms with fast majority of it being mild , smaller amount being chronic and even smaller amount dying . why are we in lockdown given those figures and its mortality rate . if can learn something from those pandemics that lockdown and shutting schools down and blaming people for getting sick and spreading it , when themselves have no control over it is not going to help in the long run . this " new" virus is not any more lethal then some of the old virus thats been going around and certainly not deadly to all human kind that the government and news media been making out . its over estimated deaths due to covid 19 being mentioned in reports rather then dying from it and thousand of cases being added on due to delays due to technical error , lack of track and tracing which is making for mini lockdown its self, but yet the British public contains to suffer in the terms of more local lock downs ontop of it .

if the government wants to keep the death rate lower it should be putting resources into care homes where there has been the most deaths and stop playing whack a mole with public and stop coming up with fancy'' moon landing'' plans .

@ListeningQuietly

monkey But Milan has a high case load so what they are doing is not working ....

Milan city had 51 new cases yesterday and the Milan area 87. Lombardia in total 250.

Still looking pretty good if compared to a similar sized UK region!

@myrtilles

There has been a pollution link to worse cases of covid so I would not envy anyone working in Milan at present.

I don't agree with children being forced to wear masks all day either.

They aren't. Under 11s don't have to wear them at all. Senior school students wear them if moving around the school only- going to the toilet for example or entering in the morning and going out at hometime. All classrooms have been SD'd so once everyone is in and seated masks are removed.

@Redlocks28, cases are rising in Italy though not like some countries in Europe and the government is on it like a flyswatter, Conte will speak tonight and us expected to make pubs etc close earlier and mandate more controls over mask wearing outside(At the moment the rule is to wear masks between 6pm and 6am where SD isn't possible, so bars, nightlife in general, most of which has been outdoors for the summer) and to limit parties/weddings etc to 200 guests.

Regional governors, and mayors can also bring in their own additional restrictions as and when they see fit. The governor of Campania which is seeing the biggest % rise from pre/post lockdown is being very strict.

That aged well

noideaatallreally where are you getting this one third? His statement said that 80% of Welsh schools have had NO cases.

I suspect some cases are from teachers not having distanced at school from each other, or yes socialising outside. It must be hard, I guess it only takes one slip/being too close to a colleague, then if they have to isolate, you do too.

A secondary school in Cardiff has 35 staff members isolating! Either they have been too close to each other at some point or they've been socialising outside of school I guess.