To think we are heading for a full 2 week national half term lockdown

[Midlifelights]

DS’s school ramping up the preparation to teach on MS teams & making sure they can all use it & have the tech in place.

Teachers indicating that it’s going to be half term plus another couple of weeks after.

Given the rising numbers, it’s seems more likely that’s what’s coming - and maybe even a full lockdown this time & not the half arsed one we had before.

Aibu? I am worried as my kids really hated it last time but with so many new cases, it just seems the likely path

@noblegiraffe

It'll be tough selling a nationwide lockdown to the South East and West were infections are much lower.

The north were subjected to the last lockdown even when the vast majority of cases were in London, so why would the south object to a lockdown when the tables are turned?

But what would two weeks achieve? A short blip in cases, but imo any lockdown would need to be longer.

I have to say, I don't think there's any evidence that a super strict not-even-going-out-for-exercise lockdown was more effective than allowing people to be outdoors, given that we do know now it's pretty hard to catch outside. So I can't see the Gov enacting one of those.

I think the 'circuit breaks' are worth a try, but it's hard to tell anything from merely a 2 week shutdown. I reckon they ought to plan for a shorter spring term, with a longer half term, in advance - there's no way it's all going to be under control during Jan-March

The north were subjected to the last lockdown even when the vast majority of cases were in London, so why would the south object to a lockdown when the tables are turned?

My area didn’t have any cases at the beginning, has still only had a handful and hasn’t had one for 8 weeks. The schools haven’t had any cases/closures so far, and no teachers isolating. It’ll be bloody hard to sell a lockdown here.

I think in Italy they had the super strict lockdown too did they? What are the cases like there now as they were hit really badly initially - I have no idea what it’s like there now

@Hobnobswantshernameback

And when people say "National " what they actually mean is England Forgetting that there are three devolved administrations setting their own Covid regulations

Exactly. Sick of that bullshit.

@Midlifelights

They did say the Army was on standby- maybe to enforce it. You needed permits etc to go anywhere in France, Italy etc & it was enforced on the streets by the army - maybe that’s the answer here (I don’t agree with it though as it’s borderline martial law)

The Army can’t enforce anything while on home turf. We don’t have martial law in this country and the military have no powers of arrest (thank goodness).

They will be doing what they’ve done throughout, which is assisting with logistics, medical care and testing centres.

It’s pathetic how desperate people are in this country for “the army to take charge” - maybe read the world news section now and then and see what life is like in countries where the military are in positions of power.

Italy had a strict lockdown but not as strict as Spain. They and Germany seem to have the virus under control now. Germany's lockdown was similar to ours.

Spain, on the other hand, does not have the virus under control, despite locking everyone up for weeks.

Honestly I think it’s probably preferable to have 2 weeks all at home than this continual semi lockdown.

They better fucking not.

It is definitely not ok for me to be in school week in and week out risking my own health so kids can be in school and parents can work to take away my term break via a lockdown. Fucking well not on.

I have played by the rules. My family has played by the rules. I have worked my ass off at school. And I have no intention of being confined to my house when I finally get a break.

@MaskingForIt I wouldn’t support any army on the streets approach either - nothing seems to be working though. There is no working testing system- I know loads of people that haven’t been able to get tested etc. The entire response is totally shambolic

I hope not I’ve got a log cabin and a hot tub booked!

So by harder lockdown do you mean no one is allowed to go to work? Except those working hard to keep you comfortably at home? Exactly like last time then?

Apparently at the airport in Rome you get tested & results back in an hour

@Notyoungbutscrappyandhungry

Honestly I think it’s probably preferable to have 2 weeks all at home than this continual semi lockdown.

It is simply not possible for everyone to stay home for two weeks. For example, what would we do if the following stayed home? Doctors and nurses Care workers Supermarket delivery drivers Water and sewage treatment workers Power station workers Gas station workers The police The military Petrol tanker drivers Petrol station workers (everyone above needs to get to work, after all)

A “total lockdown” will never happen because people will always need food, utilities and medical care.

Always those who spent lockdown safely at home shouting for another one

[quote Midlifelights]@SoUtterlyGroundDown I’m not here trying to have an argument- but a general discussion.

There was a lot of confusion about the rules the last time - about what was ok and what wasn’t- and it changed a lot too. And who was exempt & who wasn’t etc. Who was a keyworker etc.[/quote]
In what way was it confusing? It was pretty clear to me.

They will have a VERY hard job selling a national lockdown down here, where cases this week are 25 per 100,000 and we didn't see any deaths for weeks.

The school half term is the last hurrah of the year for the tourist industry, which already lost 3 months at the start of the year.

Cases don't = hospitalizations.

May I remind people that Spain did have the virus under control.
Then it reopened because it was decided it was unsustainable to keep such strict measures, and it was then that cases went up. Cases are high now because it's less strict.

As for the UK, I'm not sure if just 2 weeks of a 'strict' lockdown would help much. Just not long enough. Plus, what would be the rate of compliance this time?

So it seems you can't have everything - it's either strict measures for quite a long period or high infection rates. Take your pick.

For those saying it wouldn’t be fair to low risk areas- I think compliance in high risk areas would be much lower if they knew elsewhere everyone was going about their business

I think some people in low risk areas may feel that they are in low risk areas because of high levels of compliance @Napqueen1234, and why the fuck should they be penalised because some people in other areas didn't exercise the same degree of restraint!

I'm in the SE where rates remain low and while it wouldn't bother me or DP if we were lumped into a nationwide lockdown, I bet a lot of people would be very pissed off if they had to lockdown again because of poor compliance in other parts of the country.

@MaskingForIt not to mention all the transport workers needed to get those people to work.

You’re right. Full lockdown is impossible. I’m just fed up of being told how and where I can see my close family and friends. Dear God when will it end...

Won't work.
If anything will delay the peak further into Winter when NHS under greater pressure
Plus people wont comply.

@MaskingForIt they mean everyone should stay at home except the people they need to make their own life more comfortable, who have to keep going to work!

I'm in a local lockdown, running 2 non essential businesses, one doing well but the other just ticking over. I dread to think what will happen if we lockdown properly again. I'm just doing my best to make hay while the sun shines as it's all out of my hands but I dont see how the government could force businesses to close again without a back up plan to fund it, which is likely unaffordable.

Although I'm in a local lockdown area non of our local primaries have had cases although the local high school has a bubble in isolation