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to think that there a reason why Trump, Johnson and Bolsanaro get Covid but leaders like Merkel and Ardern haven't?

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chomalungma · 02/10/2020 18:55

World leaders
Prime Ministers, Chancellors, Presidents.
Busy schedules.
Meeting lots of people.

The chances of a world leader getting Covid-19 is reasonable. Given it's been 6 months now.

But I wonder if Johnson, Trump and Bolsanaro possibly have something in common when it comes to attitudes to Covid-19 that Merkel and Ardern (to randomly pick 2 world leaders) don't have?

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chomalungma · 03/10/2020 12:50

If you adopt riskier behaviour, you are more likely to catch certain diseases.

That does not mean that you avoid such diseases if you don't have such riskier attitudes.

It just means that you are less likely to catch certain diseases if you avoid such behaviours.

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Clavinova · 03/10/2020 13:07

It likes imbecile right wing populists.

Left-wing populists as well;

"Spain's Queen Letizia has been tested for coronavirus [she tested negative] after shaking hands and kissing equality minister Irene Montero [a member of the Podemos Party - a left-wing populist party] on the cheek."

"Montero has since been diagnosed with coronavirus and she and her partner, Pablo Iglesias, are now in quarantine."

"Queen Letizia met with Montero and many others when she attended a meeting with APRAMP (The Association for the Prevention, Reintegration and Care of Prostituted Women) on Friday, March 6."

Lollyneenah · 03/10/2020 13:09

Right so by being a paramedic I'm adopting riskier attitudes? So I deserve this?

Hope you think these comments next time you call 999

Lweji · 03/10/2020 13:22

I think most of us will slip up occasionally at least, and so will people who have public jobs.

But it's quite different to taking a stand against prevention and adopting risky behaviour on purpose.

chomalungma · 03/10/2020 13:23

Right so by being a paramedic I'm adopting riskier attitudes? So I deserve this

By being a paramedic, you are in a riskier environment.

I used to work with blood infected with HIV. I tested it.
If I were to have accidentally infected myself, I could have caught it. I wouldn't have deserved to have caught this.

I would expect a paramedic to understand that riskier behaviour can lead to increased chances of something happening.

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chomalungma · 03/10/2020 13:28

I'd also expect a paramedic to understand the difference between risky behaviour, risky attitudes and being in a risky environment.

I like mountain walking, It's a risky environment. I take sensible precautions to reduce the chances of things going wrong but things can still go wrong.

A paramedic is working in a risky environment. Therefore you take sensible precautions to reduce your chances of infection but you can still get infected.

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chomalungma · 03/10/2020 13:37

And if you were mountain rescue, putting yourself in harm's way, to come and rescue me, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you too got injured - as it's a dangerous environment.

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SerendipityJane · 03/10/2020 13:43

Mildly taken aback that 108 messages in and the word karma hasn't appeared once.

Until now Grin

derxa · 03/10/2020 13:50

That reckless individual Chris Whitty got CV.
Nicola Sturgeon hasn't had CV but that eejit Margaret Ferrier has.
Only politicians you don't like get CV?
CV doesn't care

chomalungma · 03/10/2020 13:53

@derxa

That reckless individual Chris Whitty got CV. Nicola Sturgeon hasn't had CV but that eejit Margaret Ferrier has. Only politicians you don't like get CV? CV doesn't care
CV doesn't care.

But - and I am sure you understand that people who adopt riskier behaviour are more likely to catch it.

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chomalungma · 03/10/2020 13:59

@derxa

That reckless individual Chris Whitty got CV. Nicola Sturgeon hasn't had CV but that eejit Margaret Ferrier has. Only politicians you don't like get CV? CV doesn't care
So I take it you are doing nothing different and haven't altered your behaviour because CV doesn't care and there's no way that your behaviour affects your chances of getting it?
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derxa · 03/10/2020 14:04

So I take it you are doing nothing different and haven't altered your behaviour because CV doesn't care and there's no way that your behaviour affects your chances of getting it? I'm quite careful and follow the rules. Obviously behaviour is important but Jacinda Ardern gies me the boak.

chomalungma · 03/10/2020 14:10

Obviously behaviour is important but Jacinda Ardern gies me the boak

So you agree that behaviour is important but that doesn't stop people getting Covid-19?

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Lweji · 03/10/2020 14:20

but Jacinda Ardern gies me the boak.

Can you expand on that?

derxa · 03/10/2020 14:30

@Lweji

but Jacinda Ardern gies me the boak.

Can you expand on that?

Do I need to? I suspect it's a MN trap question. I'm a fan of Angela Merkel if that helps.
Lweji · 03/10/2020 14:31

I'm curious about what you don't like about her. Is it covid related at all? If not, why mention it here?

Mittens030869 · 03/10/2020 14:34

I can't understand why you would take against Jacinda Ardern? By all accounts, she's done a very good job keeping Covid at bay. Other than that, I don't know anything about her, so I have no reason to like or dislike her.

derxa · 03/10/2020 14:36

@Lweji

I'm curious about what you don't like about her. Is it covid related at all? If not, why mention it here?
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Lweji · 03/10/2020 14:36

And I can ask. Grin

Moonmelodies · 03/10/2020 14:53

but Jacinda Ardern gies me the boak.

Can you expand on that?

By adding a v?

HandfulofDust · 03/10/2020 14:57

Well obviously people can get it through bad luck but you certainly increase your chances by not taking sensible precautions so yes in trump and Johnson's case this seems to have played a part.

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