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to think that there a reason why Trump, Johnson and Bolsanaro get Covid but leaders like Merkel and Ardern haven't?

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chomalungma · 02/10/2020 18:55

World leaders
Prime Ministers, Chancellors, Presidents.
Busy schedules.
Meeting lots of people.

The chances of a world leader getting Covid-19 is reasonable. Given it's been 6 months now.

But I wonder if Johnson, Trump and Bolsanaro possibly have something in common when it comes to attitudes to Covid-19 that Merkel and Ardern (to randomly pick 2 world leaders) don't have?

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AllesAusLiebe · 02/10/2020 19:50

I agree, it's interesting. Although Merkel probably completes a risk assessment every morning before she gets out of bed, so maybe a little bit extreme in terms of a comparison.

Clavinova · 02/10/2020 19:51

Angela Merkel had a lucky escape in March;

"Angela Merkel goes into quarantine after meeting doctor with coronavirus."
"It could take some time to determine whether the chancellor is herself infected as "a test would not yet be fully conclusive," ...
"She will be tested for coronavirus in the coming days."

www.thelocal.de/20200322/merkel-in-quarantine-after-meeting-doctor-diagnosed-with-coronavirus

Early slip up here as well;

www.itv.com/news/2020-03-02/angela-merkel-handshake-rejected-as-coronavirus-cases-reach-150-in-germany

Lweji · 02/10/2020 19:53

Not many leaders have caught sars-cov-2. And some of those who claim they did, I'm not quite sure I believe them.
Ok, two of them.
Ok, Bolsonaro and Trump.

Clavinova · 02/10/2020 19:57

25 September -

"Two of Germany’s top ministers have quarantined themselves after being exposed to people who tested positive for the coronavirus."

"Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said he decided to stay home after one of his security staff members fell ill."

"Economy Minister Peter Altmaier said he opted to do the same after an employee of an EU colleague he saw tested positive for the disease."

kcrwberlin.com/2020/09/in-brief-two-german-ministers-self-isolating-after-contacts-test-positive-for-covid-19/

DimidDavilby · 02/10/2020 20:00

Maybe there is an idiot tithe? If only they would stop recovering.

chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:01

@Clavinova

Jean Michel Barnier got it as well.

Just to save you Googling.

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chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:03

@Clavinova

Oh - and Keir Starmer also had to self isolate

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Clavinova · 02/10/2020 20:06

March -
"Spain's Deputy PM Carmen Calvo tests positive for coronavirus." ...

"Since June 2017, she has served as Secretary of Equality of the Socialist Party. She has published several books about feminism and gender equality."

chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:09

I'm watching TV @Clavinova

But I am enjoying knowing you are busy Googling away.

Crack on

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chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:10

What search terms are you using?

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Clavinova · 02/10/2020 20:13

I'm watching TV @Clavinova**

I've been out all day and now I'm listening to the radio.

But I am enjoying knowing you are busy Googling away.

Not really - prior knowledge on all but one link.

chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:15

I've been out all day and now I'm listening to the radio

Any Questions?

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thepeopleversuswork · 02/10/2020 20:17

Putin has locked himself away in a gilded cage and apparently has only had contact with one official since lockdown according to the New York Times.

Say what you like about Putin: he’s a ruthless despot. But he’s far smarter than Trump, Bolsonaro or Johnson.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 02/10/2020 20:20

@thepeopleversuswork

Putin has locked himself away in a gilded cage and apparently has only had contact with one official since lockdown according to the New York Times.

Say what you like about Putin: he’s a ruthless despot. But he’s far smarter than Trump, Bolsonaro or Johnson.

Fair point.
LakieLady · 02/10/2020 20:23

Well, Merkel and Ardern aren't stupid.

Or arrogant.

Staffy1 · 02/10/2020 20:25

Ardern lives in a place with more sheep than people and Merkel isn't human.

Clavinova · 02/10/2020 20:27

Any Questions?

Yes, I like Chris Mason.

Elsewyre · 02/10/2020 20:34

@bettsbattenburg

Look at how New Zealand have managed it and there is your answer. They didn't fuck it up.
By having a very unique geopolitical situation not applicable to any major nation?
Elsewyre · 02/10/2020 20:39

@chomalungma

And I'm trying to imagine Johnson charging from the front, into the valley of death

But there's canons there.
No, it will be fine
Our reasonable case scenario tells us that we'll all be killed.
Project Fear
Fake news

Funny but it's what we made boys do over and over and over and over again.

Only these days its IEDs.

If you want to mock service men like that go get yourself a pointy stick and be point on an IED patrol poking the ground ahead of your troop

chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:41

If you want to mock service men like that go get yourself a pointy stick and be point on an IED patrol poking the ground ahead of your troop

Umm. I am not mocking service men. Who do you think is being mocked?

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Bellesavage · 02/10/2020 20:45

I don't believe trump does have it. The rhetoric of US campaigns is 'stamina' and 'strength' - look how Hillary got hammered for her wobble/exhaustion during the 2016 campaign. If he had it I don't think we'd be told about it. This is to make him look strong when he miraculously bounces back in two weeks.

chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:47

If you want to mock service men like that go get yourself a pointy stick and be point on an IED patrol poking the ground ahead of your troop

I take it you know about the Valley of Death?
Going into the wrong valley so they faced the Russian canons head on?
Now imagine Boris as Leader in front - charging headline to disaster and the people he is leading telling them their concerns - and his reaction?

It might be a metaphor for his leadership...

And it has fuck all to do with IEDs

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BruceAndNosh · 02/10/2020 20:49

Justin Trudeau got it and he's a GOD

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 02/10/2020 20:51

@ddl1

Yes: females are somewhat less vulnerable than males, and Merkel and Ardern are probably generally more careful than the three that you mentioned.
And both very sensible & also think more about other people. Though tongue in cheek, I think Covid is scared of Angela. I wish she,Jacinda or Keir were our our PM.
chomalungma · 02/10/2020 20:52

@BruceAndNosh

Justin Trudeau got it and he's a GOD
Are you sure he tested positive? His rival did.

I am sure @Clavinova would have mentioned that

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