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Fight with neighbour - WWYD

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FrenchtoEnglish · 02/10/2020 09:49

I live in rural France. I have a neighbour who I've got on well with for years. I go to his house once a week for an art class. We have the same sense of humour, have always got on very well. I look after his cat when he goes away. I let him borrow my car for two weeks when he crashed his.

Two weeks ago I had my house painted. I used the same painter as he'd used. I paid 650 (three-storey house). He paid a grand (two-storey house). I negotiated. This as just a bit of back story.

Anyway, the painters (originally from the travelling community, settled in France with French-registered business - this becomes relevant later on) painted my house bright yellow (I'd asked for ochre). It's so bright, you need sunglasses to fucking look at it. I started panicking and they said: "Don't worry, when we put the second coat on, the colour will darken). OK.

Next day, the boss turned up and said he wanted paying. What about the second coat? No, no, no it was a "monocouche". A single coat. I started arguing with him. He wouldn't budge, so I went to get my neighbour for help. I thought I was being taken advantage of as a woman living on her own. The neighbour ended up agreeing with the painters. I paid. The boss guy said: "Thank you, pretty blonde" and my neighbour thought this was hilarious. That's the back story. I just accept that I have to live in an eyesore until I can afford to have in painted again.

Right.

Last week, I was in supermarket and there was a MASSIVE fight between a man (from the travelling community) and the manager of the supermarket. This was at the checkout. The manager was screaming. SCREAMING. And the customer was just standing there. The manager then POKED him in the face. Hard.

I decided to step in. I said: "Excuse me, sir. But, you just physically assaulted a customer". He then went mental at me and said if I didn't like it I could "go home too". I understood that he meant "go back to UK". When I asked for clarification, he said "go back to your house" and I could go and see the police if I wanted. So, I did. And I made a complaint to the headquarters and I got a written apology (of sorts - it said I'd misinterpreted what he'd said - but even if he'd told me to "go back to your house", it's still not great!).

Anyway, I mentioned this on FB later that day, I was pretty shaken. Especially because I'd noticed one of the dads at the school where my daughter goes really laughing when the guy told me to go home. I'm bilingual but have an English accent. It was obvious what the manager meant, he just back-tracked pretty well.

God, this is long...

Anyway, my neighbour commented on the FB post that he found this surprising because I was someone who "didn't like "gypsies" and treated them badly". He later said, "You told me that you saw some English people at the bank shouting in English and you didn't like it. I wonder why you didn't call the gendarmes on them?"

So, he's taken offence. Or thinks I'm a xenophobe or racist or something. It wasn't an anti-French post. It was an "I'm so cross at the guy in the supermarket" post.

I'm not very good at intervening when I see things. I get a weird adrenaline rush and I usually cry. So, it took a lot of courage for me to do. I see a lot of English people around here not speaking French and I don't think I would dare say anything to them. But, this was someone being prodded in the face. It's different.

I took the post down and wrote to him privately asking what was up. No response although he'd seen the message. I waited and then said "Yo! Are we still friends?" and he replied, "I guess so".

I'm just upset and feeling vulnerable. He's my only sodding neighbour here. WWYD? I want to be strong and just get over it, but I feel like he's really misunderstood me!

OP posts:
diddl · 02/10/2020 11:00

"@diddl. I would think there was nothing in writing because they were travellers doing a very cheap job for cash."

Op put that they are settled with a registered business.

Justaboy · 02/10/2020 11:02

Well seeing that the French neglect the outside of their houses, well in rural areas, that looks, 'err quite impressive:)

It will weather down a bit then look fine. As to the locals i'm sure pepps in the UK can and do have the same barneys from time to time. And yes your living in froggoland, bit like rural suffolk where you need from 3 to 5 generations in the local churchyard to be accepted!

Still can't understand those who go and live in France and don't bother with learning the language properly!

Not every Johnney furrigner speaks English ya know!..

FrenchtoEnglish · 02/10/2020 11:02

@CSIblonde I just can't physically get up to the top of the house to do it. I don't think it was the paint that cost, it was the crane thing and someone brave enough to go up there.
My DD is still co-sleeping. Little rascal.
I don't think I could cope with people in the house. I have a full-time job, an animal charity. It'd be too much. My DD singing, "I like to move it move it" at 5 am would put most guests off. Plus one of the rooms is always being used as a "cat quarantine" for sick cats.
I could rent it out longterm though and go to a town or city.

OP posts:
diddl · 02/10/2020 11:02

@FrenchtoEnglish

I think 650 was a lot, but maybe I'm behind the times. It was a lot for me.
How can you think that it's a lot though when your neighbour paid more for a smaller house from the same company?
FrenchtoEnglish · 02/10/2020 11:09

@diddl I thought he paid a lot, too. I didn't want to pay as much as that. They could have walked away. That's business, isn't it?

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ItIsEnola · 02/10/2020 11:14

Was there an undercurrent of a budding romance with the neighbour? Is that why you felt so hurt? I do think his comment might have been pitched badly eg if he had said it in person with a laugh, it might have seemed like gentle teasing but because it was online with no nuance, it felt harsher.

sqirrelfriends · 02/10/2020 11:18

I think it's a lovely colour, agree with PP who say it will weather and mellow over time.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/10/2020 11:18

As a british person married to a French person and having lived there for several years in the past, you made several mistakes there. The most important one being that you thought you were a local. You’re not. You never will be. They’ll not like you any less but when push comes to shove, you are always the different one. But you cannot help your different cultural routes rather like blood in families. Perhaps this bloke just enjoys winding you up - he probably also wants you to join in the fun. There is a well known (fairly jovial for the most part) rivalry between the Brits and the French. And a fair bit of misogyny in that country! Plus think how much madder the locals might think you are with brexit... and it doesn’t matter if you were a remainer. I think you need to recategorise your relationship for the most part of fair weather friend. He’s told you that at least twice from your account that this is how he sees you.

And if for one minute you think we Brits are any different: my dh, who was employed with his last company for almost 20 years got asked repeatedly by a lot of his colleagues when he was going back to France after the referendum result. It was jovial. The other side of the not so gentle jovial rivalry and ribbing. Both nations think they’re superior to the other. Turns out we’re the thick ones though. Oops.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/10/2020 11:21

Oh and the colour unless wildly different in the flesh is ochre to me. Just a more yellow one. Perhaps you wanted more of a mustard yellow. It looks nice tbh.

valtandsinegar · 02/10/2020 11:25

I think that colour looks lovely! Also I would not have intervened in the supermarket. Maybe if the customer was an elderly or vulnerable person, but not a grown man.

Charleyhorses · 02/10/2020 11:31

Ah well.
I think just cool it a bit with the neighbour for a while. Maybe he is regretting his words too.
Leave it and approach him in a couple of weeks.
Stay away from social media! It's hard to be reminded that you are an outsider I guess.
But it sounds like you are doing ok for yourself.

IJustWantSomeBees · 02/10/2020 11:32

I don't think you've done anything wrong and you don't need to apologise for anything. I agree that it's probably to do with you being female and not a national.

Also builders and painters in general are known for fobbing people off. Ignore the people on here telling you that you should have expected them to use the incorrect colour because you successfully negotiated a legitimate business down on their costs. It seems some people on MN still take issue with women being business savvy and asserting themselves, which is sad, but not something you should concern yourself over.

As a side note I actually like the colour!

jillandhersprite · 02/10/2020 11:48

I don't think you've done anything wrong - but you are taking things to heart. So options:

  1. reign it in and don't intervene, cause ructions and allow yourself and others to be walked over, and you won't feel anxious but will probably have a coronary from suppressing your feelings!
  2. carry on being you, be proud of it and fuck the people that don't like it - including your neighbour - but don't take that literally as I think there's more to that relationship than is being said! But get assertive, and a bit of self confidence! In the long run I recommend this option!!
franden99 · 02/10/2020 11:49

I think it's a lovely colour, but then I live in a pink house!

Rural France is a complicated place and you can be French and married to an English (or other nationality) person and live in a commune for 30 years and still be known as "the English family". I have lived in rural France for many years, as have my family and I am still trying to work it out. Someone up thread was right in that they don't like you to have an opinion about their country, that is their job. Just like so many people in the UK are with people that are not born here.

I do wonder if there was a bit of a budding romance going on OP and you have been sleighted? I hope you are okay. I know how lonely it can be.

SwimmingOnEggshells · 02/10/2020 11:56

I also like the colour and think it will mellow with time. You'll get used to it! Imagine how bright and cheery it will be in the heart of winter?

Re. your neighbour I would proceed as @jillandhersprite advises in no.2 - Hold your head high, carry on as normal, youve done nothing wrong!

TokyoSushi · 02/10/2020 12:03

Oh OP, you sound lovely!

The house is indeed very yellow but it will settle, as will the situation with your neighbour.

butterpuffed · 02/10/2020 12:09

I disagree with posters saying just smile/wave in future.

OP, please carry on seeing your neighbour, it sounds as if you've graduated to friends, going to the gym together, giving each other birthday presents, you go round his house every week.

That's a real friendship, not just neighbourly politeness, not really worth throwing it away because of a disagreement.

RedHelenB · 02/10/2020 12:09

Also, your neighbour's probably cost more because he paid for 2 coats.

fahrt · 02/10/2020 12:10

I love the colour missed point of thread

Hollywolly1 · 02/10/2020 12:16

I do like the colour of the house and window boxes would compliment it nicely to

FrenchtoEnglish · 02/10/2020 12:22

Thanks, everyone! No budding romance at all. I'm not interested in him in that way at all. I just thought we were good mates. I'll just lay low for a while and get on with life. I'm sure he'd still try to rescue my DD and me if the house were on fire. :-/

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Mollscroll · 02/10/2020 12:30

I wouldn't have appreciated being dragged into your argument with the painters if I were your neighbour. I am also a woman living alone and it's hard sometimes but I wouldn't have called my neighbour in to back me up. Maybe he didn't like that?

And I agree about being foreign. I've also lived in France and elsewhere as a Brit and you are always ultimately not French. It's the same wherever you go and I'm sure it's the same here.

SantaClaritaDiet · 02/10/2020 12:35

Is that colour even legal where you are? You should check before you make even more of a fuss.

And stop the virtue signalling post on local groups.

Because see, said if I didn't like it I could "go home too". I understood that he meant "go back to UK". that's a tricky one.
A native local would have taken it as the polite way to tell you to fuck off (to your house) but he can't be swear on his place of work, especially to a woman. You take it as something else. There is no way any of us can know what the manager meant, and endless speculations are not going to be helpful. "Go back to your country" in French would be clear cut. Go home really is not.

SantaClaritaDiet · 02/10/2020 12:35

It's the same wherever you go and I'm sure it's the same here.

It absolutely IS
And Brexit has only made it much worst.

Hingeandbracket · 02/10/2020 12:44

@SantaClaritaDiet

It's the same wherever you go and I'm sure it's the same here.

It absolutely IS
And Brexit has only made it much worst.

No it hasn't.

It may have made it worse, in your opinion, but definitely not worst.

When did worse and worst get switched over?

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