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Affording Uni

528 replies

bustybetty · 30/09/2020 08:26

My daughter (year 13) is considering uni. We are a normal family with no parental help (handouts) hubby is on 50K and my work is about 20K, we live in a modest house and have three teens as well. My question is I have just looked at the maintenance loan she would be entitled to and it doesn't even cover the cost of the accommodation - how do people afford this? We don't have spare money and I coupon where I can, we don't have phone contracts or gym memberships. I don't understand how most people afford to send their children to uni. Currently I'm thinking she will have to take a year out to work to be able to afford it.

ideas anyone?

OP posts:
Totallycluelessoverhere · 02/10/2020 12:58

I’m genuinely Confused at the few posters who have commented that student who get the full loan are living the high life at university.
If parents with higher incomes paid their assessed amount then all the students would have the same amount to live on and it’s hardly enough for anybody to be living the high life on.
I think some students from financially deprived backgrounds might come across as living the high life because they are probably used to budgeting and living frugally and doing without because that will be the life they have grown up in.

sanityisamyth · 02/10/2020 15:00

I'm back to uni this year and living off my student loan as well as some grants and child maintenance/child benefit etc as I have a 6 year old son. My income is probably about £16k. I pay £650/month rent and all bills on top (except council tax). Why couldn't she live off her student loan and get a part time job?

Legit · 02/10/2020 16:01

Students whose parents contribute accumulate FAR less debt. There is very high interest on the amount borrowed, and those who do earn enough to repay will be repaying FAR more if they've had to borrow the maximum amount.

AmandaHoldensLips · 02/10/2020 16:13

We had a DC who was given the big schmooze at the open day about student loans, described by the (student) representative as "free money", and we had a hard time explaining that it's anything but.

Grants (non repayable) are a different kettle of fish. I really feel for young people. They deserve to be supported, particularly into those specialist fields that are so vital to society.

MissConductUS · 02/10/2020 16:18

@Legit

Students whose parents contribute accumulate FAR less debt. There is very high interest on the amount borrowed, and those who do earn enough to repay will be repaying FAR more if they've had to borrow the maximum amount.
Ours will both graduate debt free. A big stretch for us but I think it's only fair to them if we can do it.
WombatChocolate · 02/10/2020 16:27

On one hand, I remain astonished that parents don’t look ahead the point where their child will be 18 and consider uni costs, when it’s widely known how expensive it is. Would people really approach retirement and only consider their pension once in their 60s. Actually do t answer that....we know lots of people do it.....but it’s daft and we all know that.

On the other hand, I think awareness that many students won’t be able to borrow the full whack for living costs isn’t known. More needs doing so people are aware of it.....someone...the student through working or the parents will need to top up to the equivalent of the full loan.

Some families will never be able to contribute...fair enough. Others could if they planned ahead and re-prioritised some spending and I find it hard to understand why people with decent incomes don’t do at least a bit of that. If your kid is 14, their 18th birthday and possible uni is only 4 years off. In that time, some re_adjustments from a decent income in terms of cheaper holidays for a couple of years, telling kids to get a job to fund driving lessons themselves or perhaps delaying a new car or in the Ops case, reducing the extra curricular spend (not totally, just a bit) can mean some money out aside each month for those uni costs. People living on very low wages don’t have any scope to make these adjustments but people with good incomes do.....but don’t do it. It always surprises me.

Is it because people value the driving lessons or the big family holiday instead of cheaper one more than they value the education their child will have at uni? Or is it because they think their child should work during uni and pay....I get that a bit more as a view - it seems more thought out, than simply suddenly saying ‘oh you’re 18, I didn’t know there would be these costs and we can’t afford it’

We often think of those from really low income backgrounds not being able to go to uni and being really phased by the big debts incurred. Actually, lots of mid income families also seem to be leaving their children in the same position or probably worse, because the full maintenance loan isn’t available if their families earn more than the threshold. Perhaps then those children are out off applying by the prospect of working and studying or their families put them off or give very limited options they will help with such as local unis.

Just shows that these things are becoming more polarised. Some kids are strongly encouraged to go and apply to whichever course appeals most to them, whilst quite a chunk of others, including those from comfortable backgrounds are being faced with less choices because cost is a key factor in it all.

And then those same students will also find they haven’t got access to the internships or jobs in expensive areas or their families cannot give any support to post graduate study. It’s a great inequality and shame. But I do think that some families could plan ahead a bit more and provide some help to their children, but seemingly lots who could, don’t.

Legit · 02/10/2020 16:50

DC is considering teaching. At least at the moment you can get a government grant to train - the last year only (PGCE) and depending on what subject you want to teach.

DownThePlath · 02/10/2020 17:09

@Legit
Well good for them Hmm.

Legit · 02/10/2020 17:53

The point of this thread is to spread information. That's why I've mentioned various ways of getting funding / saving money. This is one of them. Ok by you? It's not just about the OP - it's about other people who are reading the thread for information.
Christ, some people are unpleasant.

Petlover9 · 02/10/2020 18:50

What does "YMMV" mean please?

Butchyrestingface · 02/10/2020 19:03

What does "YMMV" mean please?

Your mileage may vary.

Regensburg · 02/10/2020 19:11

I went at age 22. Because I was over 21 I was classed as an independent and mature student, and no parental help was required, but they wouldn't have been able to help anyway.

My termly loan went on accommodation. And then there would be nothing left. Everything else- food, books, clothes, socialising- had to be paid for out of earnings and overdraft.

I had three p/t jobs during termtime (about 25 hours in total), and full-time work in the hols. I have to be honest - it was a real struggle. Sometimes I would cry at the prospect of weekends. Whilst others were planning nights out, I would be working all weekend in a pub, in a warehouse, and in a kitchen. I couldn't choose to do work experience related to my studies, because I needed to live. I often had to fit my study around work, rather than the other way round. I was definitely one of "the poor ones" at a uni that generally had a wealthy student body. I loved my studies (and I also wouldn't have studied what I did had I gone straight after A-levels, so I am definitely a believer in waiting a few years), but there's no denying that, financially, it really was a slog. I wasn't profligate, but I still came out with a massive overdraft, a massive credit card bill, and a massive loan (which still barely has a dent in it all these years later, but that's another story!).

WombatChocolate · 02/10/2020 19:25

Regensburg - it’s an inspiring story and I think you’re right, that quite a few would benefit from not going to uni immediately but waiting a while.

Your story reminds me too that if I can help my DC not need to work long hours whilst at uni or help them avoid the debts becoming too massive, it will be a massive help to them at the time and afterwards. Mine aren’t quite that age yet, but I want to put something aside regularly not so that it’s all handed to them on a plate, but so paid work can be pretty limited in term time and debts certainly not at the upper end. And particularly I don’t want them to spend their time stressing about money all the time I don’t mind having a cheaper holiday for a few years if it achieves that.

Moominmammaatsea · 02/10/2020 19:26

I’m particularly loving your explanation of how the ‘normal’ people are doing the ‘lower paid jobs’ now...

Petlover9 · 02/10/2020 19:33

@Butchyrestingface. Thank you 💐🍷

TheOrigRights · 02/10/2020 19:41

You are spending about £1500 a month on activities for the 4 teenagers per month. When one goes to uni they get "their" share = nearly £400 a month. That should be more than enough to make up the short fall in rent.

And no, bring a single parent isn't easier.

monkeyonthetable · 02/10/2020 19:45

@Cheesess - do you mind if I ask how that is possible? 24hrs pw, plus, presumably going to and from work. And you got a first? How did you find time for lectures, research and reading, revisions, essay writing or lab work? I just can't see how you would fit it all in.
I'm stuck dumb with admiration and confusion. Grin

Regensburg · 02/10/2020 19:55

@WombatChocolate
Thanks for your kind words 🙂

I definitely want my daughter to have it easier than I did, should she decide to go to uni. She might not want to go - she might make very different choices. My own choices were wildly different to my family's.

I hope I will be able to help DD out with rent. My DH - we met at uni - had parents who paid his rent, and this meant he didn't have to work as much as I did. I was so envious of him!
We try to regularly add to a savings account for DD,can

Newmumatlast · 02/10/2020 21:15

@KJaggard1

My husband earns 25k, we get nothing else but child benefit for our 4 under 16’s, I am a housewife. On that money we pay our rent, bills including full unsubsidised council tax, eat well, home educate 2 of the children including paying for 10 GCSE’s for our 15 year old in the last 2 years at a cost of £385 per subject, have nice birthdays and christmases, run a car, maintain our home to a good standard, have one, one week UK holiday a year, help our 22 year old daughter (who has left home) out financially now and again, save a little, contribute to charity AND pay the £300 additional rent for our 20 year old son’s university accommodation and send him a weekly sum for expenses. I think perhaps your necessities are what many would consider luxury.
Wow. I can only assume your commuying vosts and mortgage/rent is very low
Newmumatlast · 02/10/2020 21:24

@Redlocks28

actually though tuition is higher now, the loan is therefore also higher isn't it so actually I think they would manage

The tuition fees aren’t the issue. Whether the fees are £1000, £3000 or £9000 a year, they get that amount in tuition loan, don’t see it and it pays the tuition fees directly.

It’s the maintenance loan that’s the issue. If your parents earn over the cut off point, you get the minimum amount which is about £4200 a year (living away). Students in lower income families can borrow £9000 a year. The halls accommodation varies from approx £4000-£8000, so the students getting the basic loan, can actually borrow any more. It’s not amount ‘managing’ because the loan is higher-it doesn’t actually cover the basic costs and you can’t borrow more. Parents are expected to find the other £4000 a yearX

That was exactly my point. I was thinking along the lines of if the tuition fees went up and the loan hadn't but it has. So thats why I corrected myself and acknowledged that. I understand the maintenance part as I didnt qualify for any uplift. Hence me detailing my gap year working and the work I did during uni. My parents did still give me 200 a month but then i also managed to save enough to pay for my postgraduate course which I couldn't get a loan for. So I do think it is doable
Pumpertrumper · 02/10/2020 22:26

We had a DC who was given the big schmooze at the open day about student loans, described by the (student) representative as "free money", and we had a hard time explaining that it's anything but

That really depends on your situation. I know a low income (carer) lady who undertook a degree simply because they were unable to work and were denied carers allowance. They were in their late 50’s, got max student loan, never gonna earn above the threshold to repay.

Apparently she saved enough over the 3 years of loans to get by for a while. For her it was free money.

DellaDoo · 02/10/2020 22:32

Our children got the lowest loan available.

You can’t choose a higher loan, it goes on parental income, whether or not the parents are able to pay any of their income out to the student.

Said children had to work to eat, throughout Uni, it was the only way, and a real struggle for one to be able to get a job.

My advice would be get them to do a levels, or something vocational, maybe take a higher apprenticeship, or something at college that actuall leads to a job.

Mine wouldn’t take advice.
If you have family who can get them into a profession, you’re laughing, if not it’s difficult .

At least though, all their years of work, have meant that they are both employed, albeit not in careers, but earning money straight away

Dovesandkisses · 02/10/2020 22:36

It used to be a standard maintenance loan and then a means tested maintenance grant. Has this changed?

TheoneandObi · 02/10/2020 22:39

Get your child to focus on getting her grades and getting to a good university that suits her needs and will help her in her future career. Obv take living costs into account at different unis but don't let cost alone dictate. That would be false economy.
Bear in mind some courses are so full on that work in term time isn't advised. Some unis too discourage it. Oxford and Cambridge for example take a dim view bc of their super short terms and the workload. Courses like maths and most sciences too are pretty full time hours-wise.
So get your child to think about a solid 4 months of work in the summer. That's what mine did through sixth form and university. It helped but they still took out full
Loans and we still helped with accommodation costs.

Totallycluelessoverhere · 02/10/2020 22:42

If your children were only entitled to the minimum loan delladoo then you must have a much higher than average household income. Did you not give your children the amount you were assessed as needing to contribute?
Its cases like this where the parents say they can’t / won’t pay which really makes me think the govt should just deduct it from income at source and pay it to the student child. It should be mandatory seeing as they are deducting the assessed contribution from the students available loan amount.