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Hidden account in my name

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Hungryforchocolate · 20/09/2020 20:23

Ok this is potentially a long one and I am torn with a moral dilemma by letting bygones be bygones or claiming what is apparently mine.

When I was younger my parents set up a bank account with a high street provider which was all christmas money/birthday money/communion money etc. You get the drift - all money went into it. It was a children's savings account in the name of one parent. My mum.

My parents divorced when I was 10 and it was messy. My mum hid accounts including this and had my Dad cash in an endowment policy he was paying with the aim of being handed to me in later life. It would have matured cric. £90k and mum had him cash it in for £1600. There was a second one for my younger brother which also was forced to be cashed in at £1200. The relationship with my mum has never been great and she has always been money orientated. When I got a Saturday job at 15 earning £30 a week in the local hair dressers, she took 50% so £15. When I got my EMA once attending colleague she again took 50% - this was never put into the house for food so I found myself either buying my own or going round relatives/friends for dinner most nights. I moved out at 17 and been private renting since. I would occasional pop back for her birthday/mothers weekend etc as she was still and is still my mum

My mum sold the family home last year and I put on a postal redirection on the house to forward post in mine and my brothers name to my new address many miles away from her. My younger brother at the time was travelling around Asia so my address was his base.

I received a letter from the bank address to MUM RE Hungryforchocolate and also another MUM RE Hungryforchocolate's brother. I opened both as both my brother and I share initials and it didn't have Miss/Master salutation. The letter was regarding a children's passbook account which apparently was going down in interest with the same bank we used to go in with our birthday money to. I have never had an idea about these accounts were still open and when checking their website, it said it should have been transferred to the child at 18. That was approx 10 years ago for me so I visited said bank who wouldn't tell me much about the account because it was not apparently mine yet has my name all over it but the lady informed me, my brother and dad apparently both of us children are mental incapable hence they have never 'matured'. She did say the amount in there was 'potentially life changing' and confirmed they had been open since each of our respective birth years. Probably said too much but it was enough to confirm this was the same account we once deposited money into when younger.

Now my dilemma.

My Dad wants me to proceed to freeze the account in my name, my brother to do the same with his, and subsequently have the funds transferred over. He is being very persistent on the matter which hasn't help as my DP and I have been looking to buy a home. My brother has said we will put the funds from both accounts together and split 50/50 as one account may have more than the other. We don't know the balance but the life changing comment was made by the bank as I said in there the drama/stress this will cause is not worth it if its say £1.00

My Mum in the politest way will absolutely flip at me. She already sends me very distressing texts telling me she wishes I would die, wished she never had me, how nasty I am for minor things like not bringing her a second birthday card two weeks after her actual birthday where she got one because I was the 'only' person not to bring one to her party. She is hard work that I am very much LC as much as I can be due to her moods and the abuse I receive when things are not exactly as she pictures. She will also attempt to turn her side of the family against me and the pain this will cause my grandmother will be heartbreaking as my mum will make her choose between daughter or granddaughter.

I have confided in another family member who is very familiar with my Mums moods and treatment towards me but also the divorce drama of hiding money away. They have said whilst the money is in an account in my name, it does not mean it is money for me and could be a way of my mum hiding money away from her new partner. He is just as bad as her to be honest so a match made in heaven but doesn't make what she has done/doing right.

Do I:

  • Ignore the issue altogether. Whilst the account is RE me and apparently I lack mental capacity (which I don't!!!) it has nothing to do with me. [YABU]
  • Freeze the accounts to the source of the funds can be established/evidenced in statements to show it was money from when we were children. [YANBU]

The way it is going, which ever way I go, I will potentially get merry hell from one parents towards me. Dad will calm down after a while as he will respect my decision in time but my DP believes my mum will need to be completely blocked/NC as she will never forgive, understand, forget or be calm.

If I go to freeze the accounts route, what an earth do I need to do or how do I do this? I have all the court documents from their divorce where she said these accounts 'no longer exist'

ARGH.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 20/09/2020 21:53

You MUST get reputable legal advice on this.

GoldfishParade · 20/09/2020 21:53

I think this is not your money. A life changing amount woulsnt be amassed through birthday and christmas cash. I also think this is a secret account of your mums. Sorry she wasnt the best mum to you but it sounds like her money

TooTrueToBeGood · 20/09/2020 21:56

Get the accounts frozen and transferred then get statements so that you can work out where the money came from. Do not agree any kind of split with your brother until you know more. Your mother may have stashed some of her own money in the accounts in which case the morally right thing to do would be give her back what is hers. You may also find that some of the money is that which she took off you out of your wages and EMA when you were younger.

Get the facts, get legal advice if needed then do what you believe is the right and legal thing. If anyone doesn't like it they can feel free to fuck right off.

BingeOnChocolate · 20/09/2020 22:10

I've read through each and every one of the replies.

To put a bit of context around the amount of money, when my parents where together they were financially comfortable due to my dads business. He used to put in large lump sums to the accounts on occasions and as a large wider family, it wasn't unusual for us to receive £1-2K in cash for birthday from all the aunts/uncles/god parents etc.

I am going to book a morning off work this week and go to the branch in person and speak to the manager as someone suggested. If no luck I'll raise a formal complaint so it can be looked into seriously. I have located the T&Cs online for the account they are based on the letter and it still states goes to the child when of age. Having looked at the letter again it actually says Mum trustee of BingeOnChocolate, not RE but means the same thing I believe. Going NC will be easily done but the impact on my grandmother would hurt. Obviously I would keep in daily contact with her as I do now but I hate to think the abuse my mum would give her. She does occasionally already do so when I ignore her going off on one towards me.

Thank you all for your advice and kinds words. My Dad, brother and DP all seem to be on the same page as you and it's shown me they aren't wrong in their thinking.

BingeOnChocolate · 20/09/2020 22:12

Not sure why my names changed? MN can you help?! I posted originally from my laptop and my update from my phone? Hadn't realised I've two log ins! Confused

VinylDetective · 20/09/2020 22:19

Good luck. Hope it is life changing and you’re soon benefiting from it.

Shizzlestix · 20/09/2020 22:20

Don’t speak to either parent about this. If the account is in your name, it is legally yours. Freeze the accounts, do whatever necessary to acquire this for your self as it is legally yours. You are in the FOG, you do not need to involve your parents. You are an adult!

gamerchick · 20/09/2020 22:20

Your usernames are different. You must have typed in the wrong name somewhere.

chelle862 · 20/09/2020 22:21

I currently work for a bank and I've previously worked for a building society, if it is in her name on behalf of you, it is her account and no amount of ID will change that. She would have to close the accounts and transfer the money to you. This has been the same for both places. Also if she should not be telling you anything about the account, it's not yours.

Beautiful3 · 20/09/2020 22:25

Yes I'd freeze it quickly and transfer it to another account. Do it quickly, tell your brother to do it at the same time (in case mum gets wind of it and empties it). You mum sounds horrible and hard work, I wouldnt worry about the fall out. That money is in your name, if she wanted to save her own money then it ought to be in her name?! Sounds like the money was for you but she felt jealous and controlling so never wanted you to have it! Book an appointment to see the bank manager, if you need proof that you are of sound mind, see if your gp can write a note.

PrincessForADay · 20/09/2020 22:25

Good luck OP

mrsbyers · 20/09/2020 22:26

It’s not your money unfortunately , it does sound like she has hidden funds using the accounts but they are your mothers accounts and you will not be able to access the funds

Nomorepies · 20/09/2020 22:27

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DameFanny · 20/09/2020 22:29

If she's retained control of the account past you turning 18 by declaring you mentally incompetent, she's committed fraud and the bank should be covering their own arses for allowing that to happen...

OlegBurov · 20/09/2020 22:32

When my kids turned eighteen I had to sign to move the money in 'their' accounts to them - that was with Nationwide. They could do nothing until I'd signed over the accounts even though their name was on them.

Vehivle · 20/09/2020 22:34

Fuck your mum. She sounds horrible! Freeze the accounts, establish exactly what is yours/your brothers/your mums and sort it appropriately.

littlebillie · 20/09/2020 22:34

I would go to the bank with a few forms of ID get a statement and talk through your options, the bank will have a legal position on this. If you are working please take bank statements to verify you have capacity and are working.

AlwaysCheddar · 20/09/2020 22:37

Freeze the accounts. Don’t give it to her, or your dad

Thehop · 20/09/2020 22:37

I really hope this pans out, please keep us posted

timeisnotaline · 20/09/2020 22:43

Go for it op, it does sound possible it’s all yours and brothers with the update. Consult a lawyer, take proof of address to the bank. If of course it’s her Retirement savings i’d send some back but no contact doesn’t sound bad at all. Could your mum move it all ASAP if she hears? Can you afford to wait?

thefourgp · 20/09/2020 22:45

1 - you can’t access or freeze your brother’s account. Only your mum and/or possibly your brother can.
2 - your access depends on the product terms and conditions. Most trustee children’s savings accounts are set up to allow the child access at 16/18 but some are set up to solely be accessed by the named adult. You need a manager within in the bank to show you this in writing.
3 - it’s against the data protection act for a bank to record that someone does not have the mental capacity to manage their own finances without them having a legal documents e.g. power of attorney or court of protection, to prove this.

Rebelwithallthecause · 20/09/2020 22:48

Hope you get to the bottom of it OP

Jux · 20/09/2020 23:06

Normally, I would say freeze the accounts and get them transferred over to you and your brother; however, it won't be so straightforward as the bank think you lack capacity.

Seek legal advice about that - the capacity thing; heaven knows how your mum made that stick but there ought to be legal documents which the bank holds.

Firefliess · 20/09/2020 23:25

I don't think you can morally justify taking the money that's really your mum's on the grounds that she "forced" your dad to cash in an endowment policy for £1600 that would have been worth £90k otherwise. There's no way £1600 would have matured into £90k over a decade or so, unless it was regularly topped up by quite a large amount. Endowment policies aren't magic money trees. If your dad was contributing to it every month he could have gone on doing so post divorce, or set up a new endowment policy. He and you cannot hold your DM responsible for the loss of £90k.

Snog · 20/09/2020 23:38

@Firefliess the point is that the policy was cashed in early so only paid a tiny fraction of its actual worth at that point. Cashing in early was majorly financially punitive.