WAP

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To think this song is fucking horrid???

DP apparently thinks I'm a prude because I'm banging on about it.

And all the people posting videos copying it is making me 🤢

I mean, A lot of the world (men) already thinks of women as just tits and a vagina, this shit does not help.

He thinks I'm a prude
I think I'm a grown woman and we're not into that shit

What do you think

Well, I read the lyrics and with the ‘bring a mop and bucket’ I was hoping it would be a bit funnier, but then it all just went a bit downhill. Choking references, prostitution, tonsil bothering, seriously this is feminisms, it’s fake feminism for the male gaze.

Jury’s out on the macaroni reference...

Seriously this is NOT feminism, with a capital NOT

There is a dance on Tiktoks to WAP its very lewd and my teenage daughter tried to post it on the internet!

‘I suspect Candi is sex-starved’.

Seriously??

And yet it’s the song that’s misogynistic garbage???

Poor love, with that level of discharge, I reckon she has some serious gynecological issue and perhaps should have some STI check-up.

I’m sorry but ‘ass pussy’ made me laugh out loud! @UnaCorda

Swipe your nose like a credit card

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It's a long song too

Don't know how she had the time?

Would you say the same if it was male rappers??

Yes
It’s garbage, lewd and written for shock value by a limited mind.
This is nothing to do with feminism - it’s juvenile junk for assaulting the brain.

@BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs

It's not new, "my neck, my back" by Khia, Lil Kim's 'How many licks?"

I don't think they're the same (at least in terms of 'empowerment').

My neck, my back is a woman directing a man to give her oral in the manner she wants. It's basically an instruction manual with most of the focus on making sure they're doing it with some proper effort, and it's all about her pleasure. Might not be to some people's taste because of the subject matter, but the message is pretty clear and tbh is more akin to what I'd expect from male rappers.

How many licks is pretty much the same. The focus is on her pleasure and the guys that have made her orgasm. Again, not to everyone's taste but the focus is her.

WAP could have managed that but instead the focus keeps slipping back to calling women whores, spitting on them, choking them, and giving them cash/things rather than giving them pleasure. None of that says female empowerment so much as 'I'm hot because I'll let you treat me like your personal porn fantasy/prostitute' which, to me, is the opposite of how women should be empowered. Female empowerment shouldn't be dependent on letting men do demeaning things to us for their own sexual thrill. It defeats the object.

Sorry, to be clear, I don't think WAP is an empowering song for women. I just meant in terms of women discussing their vaginas in songs.

I said earlier I was a stripper. When I was a stripper, I thought it was liberal and empowering, women doing it for themselves, using men for their money etc. I suspect this is where the song is coming from (and to make money of course). This song is strip club fodder. I'm older now, away from the industry and have seen the world differently. It's patriarchy and misogyny (internalised and obvious) dressed up in he guise of "I can do what I want as a woman/feminism". I think that WAP like you said, defeats the object. It's not a positive feminist anthem.

It's also the accessibility rather than the song itself for me that's the issue, but that's the same with anything nowadays, films, inappropriate content and porn is only a click away with no real controls on age. Why should we censor music because children might listen to it over everything else? The radio plays a censored version, but obviously it's easy enough to go on Spotify etc I know. Parents need to parent regarding a 7 year old having tiktok, I'm assuming the 7 year old hasn't funded their devices and WiFi themselves?

It's not really my type of music, but actually I don't think it's too bad, it's catchy. I don't see it as liberating neccessarily, but I think people are putting too much power onto the song to think it's going to cause a certain type of pressure and sexual behaviours. Might it feed into the bigger picture? Sure. But there are a lot of things much more problematic than 2 women singing. I don't know about Meghan, but Cardi has always been open and honest about being a stripper previously, should she not be able to sing about her experiences because people are made uncomfortable? Aren't people more bothered by the fact that for some it's the only way to keep a roof over their head, or conversely that they genuinely want to do it rather than being the victim of a patriarchal society?

Either way, it's not unreasonable not to like a song, any song, but it seems like they have an extra level of criticism than others who sing about the same subject matter.

I agree with everything that you said leafbeans but I also think it’s just nice to have a celebratory song about vaginas too, even if some of the lines are not things I would enjoy or like. The whole empowerment angle is something that others have put onto the song rather than Cardi and Meghan themselves.

I think it's a shit song but I can't get myself upset about it. It's not something I would listen to anyway. I do however think the frothing by male conservatives in America over it has been hilarious.

it’s just nice to have a celebratory song about vaginas too

Why? What's to celebrate about a body part? It's hardly an achievement or in any way exceptional. It's just a body part more than half the worlds population were born with.

A body part which that a long history of being seen as ‘dirty’, unmentionable, smelling like fish etc.

A body part which that a long history of being seen as ‘dirty’, unmentionable, smelling like fish etc

Can wait for the rapper lyricists to pen their thoughts on bowels, bums, gall bladders and nostrils.

@StoneofDestiny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

To me, it’s not that empowering nor is it a feminist anthem. It’s not that groundbreaking either.

But what does confuse me is that people are properly worked up about two black women singing about how they like to have sex and how they use their sexuality. But no one bats an eye at the violent misogyny in other artist lyrics. Slut shaming lyrics, or even men singing lyrics about vulgar sexual acts. These artists are regularly played on the radio, on tv etc. But there is no frothing, no major uproar that WAP has produced.

Is it because it is two women? Two black women at that? I think it does have a lot to do with it. Alongside the timing of its realise, (in the middle of a pandemic, less “news” outside of Covid and people are bored / angry so direct attention to this) it has brought it to the forefront more.

Can wait for the rapper lyricists to pen their thoughts on bowels, bums, gall bladders and nostrils.

Well have male artists staked a claim on controlling the narrative around those body parts in their songs historically? No. They have for vaginas, and also vaginas are unique to women, they aren't a shared human experience. Singing about gall bladders or nostrils doesn't have the same social context, so I know you're trying to be clever and witty by comparing them, but I don't think it's landed.

Interesting points on this thread here.

Would help if I remembered to paste the link

The song ‘WAP’ does not deserve the fawning plaudits? (NSFW) http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3995901-The-song-WAP-does-not-deserve-the-fawning-plaudits-NSFW

But what does confuse me is that people are properly worked up about two black women singing about how they like to have sex and how they use their sexuality. But no one bats an eye at the violent misogyny in other artist lyrics. Slut shaming lyrics, or even men singing lyrics about vulgar sexual acts. These artists are regularly played on the radio, on tv etc. But there is no frothing, no major uproar that WAP has produced.

Can you give some examples?

Can you give some examples?

You can't think of any? There have been plenty in the Top 40 UK charts over the years, none have really riled anyone to the same extent this song seems to have.

You can't think of any? There have been plenty in the Top 40 UK charts over the years, none have really riled anyone to the same extent this song seems to have.

No, I can't think of any, that's why I asked for examples!

The onky obvious one to me is Blurred Lines which did cause loads of uproar at the time because, despite it being a really catchy song, it was misogynistic shite!

Well have male artists staked a claim on controlling the narrative around those body parts in their songs historically? No. They have for vaginas, and also vaginas are unique to women

Frankly cannot imagine why anybody wants to sing about vaginas - seriously. When do you even listen to a song about vaginas - over lunch?