Reporting dangerous dogs?

[LondonLassi]

Something has been on my mind for a few days after hearing about the poor 12 day old baby who died after being attacked by a dog.

My sister’s neighbour has a 16 year old son who is regularly in trouble with the police. I spend a lot of time there. The screaming and shouting that comes from next door is horrendous and the police are often called out to restrain him. He is not in school. Smokes weed all day. I’ve never seen his face because he wears a hoodie over a face covering (even pre-COVID) I’m just trying to paint a picture of the kind of troubled youth we’re dealing with here. If you make eye contact with him he will swear at you, call you names and threaten you. He is quite frankly a bit scary.

About a year ago they got two puppies from the same litter. They are fully grown now and they look like some sort of pit bull cross. Possibly pit bull/mastiff. They are huge. I’ll attach a pic of what I think they might be. When we sit out in the garden we can hear them next door fighting and growling, they barge my sisters fence to try to get to her small jack Russell terriers. They’ve had to repair the fence three times already after the dogs broke it.

This boy walks the dogs regularly. They are not muzzled. If we happen to leave the house at the same time the dogs go up on their hind legs and get very over excited. The boy has to pull them back to get them away. They try to break free to get to anyone walking near them if they’re out for a walk. Tonight we happened to be leaving as the boy was walking home. The dogs immediately started barking at us and were trying to run towards us and had to be restrained. We often hear people shouting when they walk by because of the dogs trying to get to them. It’s very scary when it happens because they are big and intimidating.

I am terrified of what would happen if these dogs managed to get loose. They have been raised by someone with a violent, anti social background. I can’t shake the image of them getting hold of a child. The boy has a little brother in the house, probably around 6 years old.

What would you do in this situation? I’m thinking of reporting them as potentially dangerous dogs. If IABU please tell me. It just seems like an awful attack waiting to happen.

Please please report.

@LondonLassi so SHE moves or reports it. God help her when he finds out. That’ll be fun lol

Especially with people called ‘dogsarebetterthanpeople’. There’s some crazy, biased dog nutters out there who totally anthropomorphise their animals and lose all reason when discussing any subject related to dogs

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Oh, dying!
FYI idiot person, I cannot abide people who treat their dogs as children.

My dog isn’t allowed on furniture, she isn’t allowed to go through doors etc before me unless I give permission, has to sit for food etc.

I certainly have never allowed her to lunge/jump at anyone and fully agree it’s a problem behaviour that shouldn’t be tolerated.

I have never, ever babied her in any way and FYI if she was ever to bite someone I’d have her PTS.

So no, I most definitely am not some nutter who anthropomorphises dogs and loses all reason when discussing them.

The point I was making was that ALL dogs, even tiddly widdly ones have the potential to cause serious injury and it’s really stupid to try and claim that they don’t and it’s only really the pit bulls (of which there are very very few of type in the uk..) and the actual bull breeds, because, you know, there’s actually no such breed a a pit bull in the UK, as has been stated multiple times, that are dangerous.

I also made the point that there’s quite a lot of really unpleasant snobbiness/stereotyping going on, which there is.

Oh also, and that while I fully agree lunging and barking is a problem behaviour that shouldn’t be tolerated, I also stated that is often a behaviour signifying excitement and not aggression.
Impossible to know which it is with the dogs mentioned in the OP without seeing them.

Now that’s cleared up I shall leave you judgemental snobby people to get on with it.

OP your sister’s issue is with her neighbour, not the dogs.
So many dog experts on here if you take the dogs out of it, either you, your sister or both of you still won’t be happy.

I haven’t read to the end because I got bored of people getting offended at you on behalf of other people for things you haven’t actually said!
Go ahead and report the dogs if you think they are threatening. Probably to the housing association and the dog warden although the housing association should already be aware if the fence keeps getting damaged. Like previously said, if they’re deemed not dangerous, no harm done. Just be wary of your sister having problems with the neighbours if they find out it was you!

@Dogsarebetterthanpeople I told you that the dogs are Bull Mastiffs. You are now saying that bull breeds ARE dangerous. If you think bull breeds are dangerous too then why have you been giving me such a hard time? So I am right to be concerned about badly trained dangerous dogs who belong to a dangerous owner? How does that make me judgemental or a snob? I still don’t know where this snob nonsense has come from.

Antisocial, aggressive, violent young person owns two strong badly trained dogs. They are mixed with a banned breed according to the owners mother. She is scared of the owner and the dogs. She lives with them.

Dogs attack fence regularly and bark a lot. They have broken the fence. They lunge excitedly or aggressively ( unclear ) at passers by.

It sounds like a volatile situation.

For me the big problem sounds like their owner. He is anti social and violent and does not seem to be able to fully control his dogs. Though he is walking them regularly. They should not be lunging at passerby's IMHO.

It is bad enough having an excited/aggressive dog lunge at you but like it or not it is worse when the dog is bigger and stronger looking. Don't care what breeds are involved. And NO responsible owner would allow it.

That is the bottom line for me.

@LondonLassi
You haven’t proven anything wrong, you’ve taken what suits your agenda and decided it’s right!!
I’ll explain this simply as you seem to struggle with understanding.
If dogs were originally bred for aggression, they would breed two aggressive dogs to encourage that trait.
When the aggression is no longer desired the dogs were then bred for temperament ie two dogs with calm/placid temperaments and on and on and the aggression is bred out.
Dogs with desirable traits ie retrieving will be bred with to encourage the traits.
It’s really not difficult to understand.
But based on your hatred of your sisters neighbour, who bear in mind is a 16 yr old boy, you have become a dog breeding and behavioural expert.
The nonsense you spout is laughable, but I’m sure you’ll be delighted when the dogs are seized and killed.
You offer nothing constructive, just your prejudice and ignorance, you have a complete refusal to listen to anyone with a different point to make, even ppl with years of experience and knowledge.

I told you that the dogs are Bull Mastiffs
Bullmastiffs are molossers, like Dogue de Bordeaux and Rottweilers.
Bull breeds are your Staffordshire bull terriers, french bulldogs and the like.

You are now saying that bull breeds ARE dangerous. If you think bull breeds are dangerous too then why have you been giving me such a hard time?
I’m afraid you’ve misinterpreted that entirely.
That is NOT what I was saying at all.
I was saying it’s stupid to try and claim bull breeds are the only dangerous ones and that all dogs irrespective of size have the potential to cause serious injury.
Im sorry if that wasn’t clear.

How does that make me judgemental or a snob? I still don’t know where this snob nonsense has come from
Because throughout the thread you and others have insisted that bull breeds are extremely dangerous, can always do more damage than any other dog etc and there’s been an insinuation that these dogs are owned by a specific sort of person; male, council estate, ‘chav’

YANBU.
Just got to stuck my oar in...
Firstly, I've owned dogs that to many people seem intimidating: Rottweillers and mastiff types. However, I am very aware that there are certain breeds, through no fault of their own, that are attractive to utter arseholes which is why they got their bad reputations unfortunately. Of course this is no fault of the dogs themselves, but there's no need for people to get so defensive when someone like the OP is clearly talking about dogs of a type within the context of a toxic environment. I doubt she'd have an issue if it weren't for the owner, who is only 16 FFS, and who has shown to have aggressive tendencies. And it may be a stereotype but, leaving PC aside, the fact is he's an immature young man with history of very bad behaviour, who I wouldn't trust to socialise and train the dogs, and it's this that is concerning. So it's not so much the dogs, it's the whole package which makes the dogs far more worrying than otherwise might be.

the fact is he's an immature young man with history of very bad behaviour, who I wouldn't trust to socialise and train the dogs, and it's this that is concerning. So it's not so much the dogs, it's the whole package which makes the dogs far more worrying than otherwise might be.

exactly, you said that much better than me.

it's these STRONG dogs in a a dubious situation. Not the dogs per se.

@CandidaAlbicans2 thank you for this! This is what I have been trying to emphasise throughout the thread but I have just been labelled a judgmental snob. I have said over and over again that I’m sure these breeds are lovely pets when raised by the right people in the right environment. I don’t know how else to point out that I am talking about these particular dogs with this particular owner in their particular environment.

@LondonLassi
Stop lying, you maybe originally were talking about these two particular dogs but went off on a bull breed hate agenda and have ranted a litany of prejudiced nonsense.

@Dogsarebetterthanpeople and you have consistently compared these breeds to the likes of chihuahuas and Pomeranians. It’s ridiculous and dangerous to have that attitude. These powerful dogs demand respect and should be approached with caution. Please read @CandidaAlbicans2 post. She has hit the nail on the head.

@SBTLove no.. the nonsense YOU spout is laughable. Pure bred muscle dogs have not been mixed with anything, isn’t that what a pure bred dog is? A dog that has come from a long line of dogs that have only bred with the same breed?

And referring to the neighbour as ‘only 16’ WTF?! So it’s ok that he is a thug that beats on his mother because he is ‘only 16’? What the hell is a person who is ‘only 16’ doing with such powerful animals? Let’s just let him continue on his little anti social tirade with his deadly beasts because the poor guy is ‘only 16’ and should be given a break. Jesus.

Pure bred muscle dogs have not been mixed with anything
In your OP you said they were mixed breed and you weren't too sure what breed they were. You now seem 100% certain they are pure bred pit bulls....

they are beautiful dogs with a dangerous owner.
Could you point out where you said this please. I got one certainly cannot see that at all. In fact you said that because they were big dogs who were barking on the lead it automatically made them dangerous...

You are the one that can’t be educated and you are the one that refuses to accept anyone else’s opinion.
Yet how many times in this thread have people said to you that your opinion on big dogs that bark on leads is wrong and you've been defensive and refused to accept their opinion?

have said over and over again that I’m sure these breeds are lovely pets when raised by the right people in the right environment
If only.
You’ve made post after post about how dangerous put bulls/bull breeds are and how savaging people is in their dna because they were bred to fight (dogs and bulls) pulling up loads of American quotes which are utterly irrelevant because the breed doesn’t exist here.

and you have consistently compared these breeds to the likes of chihuahuas and Pomeranians. It’s ridiculous and dangerous to have that attitude. These powerful dogs demand respect and should be approached with caution
What I have said is that all breeds are capable of serious injury.
There have been some seriously terrifying comments on here, you are quite right that a Pomeranian could never take down an adult.
But then the fatality you were discussing briefly wasnt an adult, it was a 12 day old baby and a Pomeranian absolutely could, and has! kill/ed a baby.
It’s worth considering that the vast majority of dog bites are to children under 5. Not adults.

There have been some comments on here insinuating that Labradors would virtually never fatally injure anyone, despite the fact they are far heavier than a dog of pit bull type, one of the most frequent offenders for bite insurance claims in the uk and anecdotally, I’ve met quite a few vicious ones actually.

I’ve had one pin me against a fence snarling and another almost pull its owner over lunging and growling to get to me.
They are intensely strong dogs and I very much doubt any person could pull a determined one off if it had decided to do serious harm.

Even a border collie, another breed in this thread listed as a ‘safe’ dog, is strong and a fairly large dog.
Don’t get me wrong, I love collies (I have one myself) but they are very consistently in the top 10 for biting children. So much so that quite a few collie people would advise caution adding them to homes with young children as they can be quite high strung/overly sensitive.
The Staffordshire bull terrier in contrast, is advised as a good dog for children by the Kennel club.
The border collie is not.

@queenofpandas

Seems to be if @LondonLassi is challenged she descends into using asshole and idiot, good way to get ppl onside🙄

@queenofpandas I wasn’t referring to the neighbours dogs when I said that. @SBTLove said that bull breeds have had the dangerous traits bred out of them and are no longer genetically predisposed to being aggressive.

@SBTLove so are you the only one allowed to call people names then?