Questions for white people

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Why are white people offended by black people talking about racism?

Obviously not all white people are racist and name changed - in case of gaslighting.

@Avery7

Because people are uncomfortable being stereotyped. The same reason black people get offended when gay people talk to them about homophobia.

What?

@EDSGFC

Ok, well how about the police start hanging round bars in the city of London on a Friday night and start doing random stop and searches on the city boys on a night out after work

I’m not sure that many black folk expect white folk to feel guilt or acknowledge that working class folk benefitted from slavery (which they generally didn’t).

I’ve moreso seen such suggestions from white people assuming that the position is prevalent from black folk.

@Venicelover

I think the police should be able to stop and search/use intelligence lead policing on whichever demographic is committing the most crime in any given area if they believe they have cause to do so.

To extrapolate that to be racist is to try to cover up the stats.

When the IRA was at its height Irish people were targetted, that philosophy should apply across the board. If grooming gangs are proven to be predominantly Asian then they should be targetted, if paedophiles fit certain characteristics ditto. White hooray henries may fit the cokehead/dealing/ tax-dodging box, so target them.

Colour should not mean we shy away from factual evidence with regard to who commits what type of crime and where.

Everyone should want to see less crime and safer streets so if that means your demographic fits the bill for closer scrutiny, so be it.

Yes, I agree

formerbabe

I completely agree with you, they should. That market no doubt fuels much of the associated crime so yes, they should be targeted. Completely agree with you.

@Itisbetter

The same way you benefit now from your clothes, food etc being made in impoverished countries by workers paid pennies.

So dirt poor people, living in the slums, sent to workhouses, or working down the pits or in mills benefitted from cheap clothes made overseas? Did they? Really? I doubt any of them had new clothes and if they did wouldn't they have been made here? How much clothing, bought by the working classes, was made overseas?

@bakingdemon

Because "white people" feels like a racist way of talking about millions upon millions of people in this country with very very different experiences? I would never talk about "black people" or any other racial group as a single group in that way

You just did.

PatricksRum

So, you're fine with people saying Black people so this, Black people do that? Jews do this, Jews do that? Gays do this, Gays do that.

I'm not.

Only if one says ALL white people are they including all white people.

Eye roll

So, would it be ok to say "black people do..." because they haven't said all?

@changerr

PatricksRum

So, you're fine with people saying Black people so this, Black people do that? Jews do this, Jews do that? Gays do this, Gays do that.

I'm not.

Depends if it's a stereotype or not.

Black people are killed. Black people are stopped and searched. Would be fine.

@EDSGFC

Only if one says ALL white people are they including all white people.

Eye roll

So, would it be ok to say "black people do..." because they haven't said all?

Again, depends if it's a stereotype or factual.

To answer your question - no one but no one likes to be criticized or blamed.No one looks forward to a telling off guilty or not.
I think that's the real crux.

My good friend and I often laugh together about being 'passable' (roma and indian). We look white british, live lives blessed by the Joy's of white privilege but with family and ancestors who fucking fought and fought for survival. The difference in the way people behave towards me when they find out who my family and background is crazy.
I've been told they didnt realise I was 'like that' and that I 'look like such a nice girl'.

I cant begin to imagine how hard it is to have that permanently covering your skin, exposed from the second you leave your house.

I'll give you an example of how black people are stereotyped...I'm white but my dc are mixed race. I took my six month old baby boy to a baby group and another mother called him a gangster.

@formerbabe

I'll give you an example of how black people are stereotyped...I'm white but my dc are mixed race. I took my six month old baby boy to a baby group and another mother called him a gangster.

Again, depends if it's a stereotype or factual.

But any statement where you are referring to some and not all will be true. If I say "white people commit crime" using your opinion I'm not talking about all white people because I didn't use the word "all", only some, so of course it's true - some white people commit crime. The same can be said for every other group of people, so you're fine with that?

@formerbabe

I'll give you an example of how black people are stereotyped...I'm white but my dc are mixed race. I took my six month old baby boy to a baby group and another mother called him a gangster.

What??!!!

What on earth did she say? How, in anyone think that's an ok thing to even think, let alone say?

When the IRA was at its height Irish people were targetted, that philosophy should apply across the board. If grooming gangs are proven to be predominantly Asian then they should be targetted, if paedophiles fit certain characteristics ditto. White hooray henries may fit the cokehead/dealing/ tax-dodging box, so target them.

Colour should not mean we shy away from factual evidence with regard to who commits what type of crime and where.

What a remarkably silly post. Since when are 'Hooray Henrys', paedophiles or 'Irish people' a 'colour'?

And as an Irish person who was continually stopped and questioned at airports and ferryports entering the UK, and who spent much of my earlier time in the UK aware of the appalling miscarriages of justice inflicted upon the Birmingham Six and the Guilford Four, to mention only the two best-known instances, and that British police and judiciary's attitude to Irish people was not impartial, I would be very, very interested indeed to see White British people quietly accepting being racially profiled and regularly stopped and searched for evidence of membership of an illegal organisation their profile 'fitted'.

Well, this is when I say goodbye to this thread. It was actually an interesting read, good job pps. I don't want to get banned, or something, like many others for disagreeing with certain people... Which I would do eventually. It's just single me behind my profile so not so much arguing power.

I'm not and thankfully dont know anyone who is.

I think some people feel threatened by it but I honestly couldn't tell you why.

It’s ironic people mention the Irish. Black and Irish communities of the 60s tended to live happily together due to not blacks, no dogs, no Irish’. Definitely true of Ladbroke Grove, Kilburn at least.

I have personal experience of this, I was bought up with strong integration with Irish folk.

It also reminds me of an incident in the late 90s. I was working in a shop and received racial abuse from a customer. Manager (who had already made some questionable remarks to me) told me to suck it up.

Ass manager was lovely and understood why I was upset. He related an incident where a customer asked him to clarify where an item was made as she knew this product was often made in Northern Ireland and she wouldn’t buy anything from those terrorist bastards and made other anti-NI statements.

He told me this story in his strong NI accent 😢

@Lweji

The stop and search by police - police are judged on results - I doubt they are deliberately doing thousands of unnecessary searches or they are wasting police time and money. Police are short of staff and money, are they really just doing this because all of them hate black people?

Stop and search happens when the police officers are already on the street. They can stop anyone they like then. No extra resources are needed.

My point is that stopping people who aren't doing anything wrong does not influence the crime stats - the police are judged on the crime stats so wasting time searching innocent people isn't improving the stats it is in fact making the stats worse. So why would they do that.

@formerbabe

I'll give you an example of how black people are stereotyped...I'm white but my dc are mixed race. I took my six month old baby boy to a baby group and another mother called him a gangster.

😢

It’s sickening.

@EDSGFC

Again, depends if it's a stereotype or factual.

But any statement where you are referring to some and not all will be true. If I say "white people commit crime" using your opinion I'm not talking about all white people because I didn't use the word "all", only some, so of course it's true - some white people commit crime. The same can be said for every other group of people, so you're fine with that?

As I said, it depends on if you are stereotyping or using facts.

Asking why white people are racist isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.

Asking why black people are aggressive would be a stereotype.

OP, you do know that "white people" are not one big homogenous group and have a long and varied history and disparate identities, cultures and traditions, often at odds with each other (Jews and Germans or Germans and Slavs for example).

The irony of a topic about racism generalising about a whole group of millions of people seems to be lost on people .

@cosmicdoughnut

OP, you do know that "white people" are not one big homogenous group and have a long and varied history and disparate identities, cultures and traditions, often at odds with each other (Jews and Germans or Germans and Slavs for example).

The irony of a topic about racism generalising about a whole group of millions of people seems to be lost on people .

Obviously not all white people are racist and name changed - in case of gaslightin

Did you conveniently not read this?