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Iconical · 14/09/2020 12:15

30 years ago JS had unisex locker rooms?

Nmechnge · 14/09/2020 12:15

Somebody posted on internal social media a couple of weeks ago about whether it's legal to allow people to use whichever toilets they want. The gist being that to be trans, you pretty much just have to say 'I'm trans', nobody can question it, and is that really ok? It kicked off.

It was then clarified that the policy is that people who say they're trans can use the toilets of the gender they identify with and there's no legal requirements as to what steps you have to take to be trans. Some people have interpreted this being said as it being a brand new policy and it's being talked about.

Still have women's and men's toilets. Nothing has changed there.

Soubriquet · 14/09/2020 12:16

@Shedbuilder

Shameless abuse of AIBU, but looking for traffic.

If you work for Sainsburys, could you let me know what's happening to your changing and toilet facilities — for staff, not customers. Do you still have separate male and female loos and changing facilities or have they been merged to unisex in the name of diversity?

Any thoughts or info gratefully received.

Separate toilets and changing rooms still at my Sainsbury’s

No talk about merging them either

LemonTT · 14/09/2020 12:18

@Chaotica

The attempts to shut the OP up immediately are tedious and predictable. If you're not interested in the topic, don't read the thread. (Given that's not what these posters doing, I presume they think that she shouldn't even ask the question.)

There is nothing transphobic about maintaining single sex spaces. If I worked at Sainsbury's (or any other workplace where I had to change), I'd want changing rooms separated by sex.

Classic case of you shut up, no you shut up.

SerendipityJane · 14/09/2020 12:19

I imagine the OP wants to go on a rant about how it’s against our human rights to have to pee in the same room that a man has...

Well that's a problem being solved right now.

Howallergic · 14/09/2020 12:19

I don't want to be dealing with haemorrhaging and flooding with my male colleagues standing outside the cubicle hearing it. It's bad enough that female colleagues, who might understand what I'm going through, have to hear.

What an odd statement. I am mid 40s and thus am 40+ years using ladies toilets. I have yet to hear a woman haemorrhaging and flooding in the next cubicle.

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Shedbuilder · 14/09/2020 12:23

Perhaps I should make it clear that Sainsbury's have told me that they are committed to keeping separate male and female toilets in their stores. So they understand that many/ most/ the majority of women prefer single-sex facilities and they don't want to alienate their mainly female customers by changing to mixed sex customer loos.

It seems very odd that while they say that about customer loos and changing rooms, when it comes to staff they go all waffly and vague and talk about diversity and the 2010 Equality Act. They give the impression that they understand and appreciate the opinions of women when they are customers of the company, but they don't care about the opinions or need for privacy and dignity of women when they are 'only' employees. This seems very troublesome to me.

Of course I only have a waffly response from Sainsbury's head office to base my assumptions on. That's why I've asked here, to see if anyone who works on the shop floor can tell me what's happening in their store.

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Shedbuilder · 14/09/2020 12:24

Soubriquet, thank you. And just to confirm, those are staff facilities, not customer facilities?

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oakleaffy · 14/09/2020 12:25

We have also had a couple of men sacked for masturbating at work (unconnected to each other!), so don’t want gender neutral loos either.

Good grief!
They can't have been discreet about it, otherwise no one would have known.

That is a very good reason for having separate spaces.

LemonTT · 14/09/2020 12:25

@Howallergic

I don't want to be dealing with haemorrhaging and flooding with my male colleagues standing outside the cubicle hearing it. It's bad enough that female colleagues, who might understand what I'm going through, have to hear.

What an odd statement. I am mid 40s and thus am 40+ years using ladies toilets. I have yet to hear a woman haemorrhaging and flooding in the next cubicle.

Well it does happen ! but that’s what a disabled toilet if for. Or just stick up an out of order sign.

Soubriquet · 14/09/2020 12:27

Yep staff facilities

No men allowed in the women’s area and vice versa for men’s, unless specified with a sign for cleaning purposes

Female cleaners clean the females, and Male cleaners clean the males.

talkingdeadscot · 14/09/2020 12:32

We wouldn't have to ask forums questions like this if company's were open and up front. If you're changing to mixed facilities ie toilets, changing rooms, gym showers etc then clearly label the facilities as such. Surely if it's such a good thing then they shouldn't be coy about it! It's far more damaging to their reputations to change things but keep quiet about it, or give waffly assurances. Either they're committed or they're not but give us the information needed so that we, their customers and/or employees can make an informed choice about whether or not to use those facilities. Be proud of whose side you've chosen!

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Shedbuilder · 14/09/2020 12:36

Thank you, Soubriquet. I wonder why Sainsbury's wouldn't just say that?

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Billben · 14/09/2020 12:37

@Heyahun

Who fucking cares

A lot of us DO. If you don’t, fair enough. But in that case then there is really no need for you to comment on a thread you don’t even fucking care about, is there? 🙄

Soubriquet · 14/09/2020 12:38

They are getting big on the LGBTQ++ so probably worried about letting themselves saying about trans in bathrooms

nhsnamechange · 14/09/2020 12:52

You have to get to the staff toilets through the locker rooms which are male and female. There is one disabled toilet and shower that is unisex

Kazakaren · 14/09/2020 12:53

Sounds like the 'allies' are here in full force and are getting rattled. The house of cards is tumbling down before their very eyes. And women won't shut up. And we won't be going away

nhsnamechange · 14/09/2020 12:54

Sorry that isn't clear. Yes they are separate and so are the locker rooms.

If the male cleaner has to clean the women's he puts a sign up to let everyone know

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Shedbuilder · 14/09/2020 13:00

The thing is, Soubriquet, I'm the L in LGB and T. So it would be nice to think they'd take into consideration their lesbian customers. I see a lot of my lesbian friends in Sainsbury's!

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/09/2020 13:05

What an odd request; if you are an employee, you would know this information already, if you are not, how is it relevant to you?

It's relevant to all of us - because if they are canning the toilets to unisex, or imposing "transwomen are women" rules and making toilets segregated by gender rather than sex, then it would be another safe space for women being eroded.

Self-ID means that it is all too easy for sex offenders to claim to indentify as female and insist on unrestricted access to women's facilities.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/09/2020 13:07

*changing the toilets, not canning the toilets

Sorry

LovelyLovelyMe · 14/09/2020 13:10

There isn't an anti-trans board but there are some posts where women who don't want to imitate Turkeys Voting For Christmas, raise valid points about the impact this will have on women's lives.

If you think that's anti-trans then I'm glad to have been yet another excuse for you to polish your right on halo and have a little froth.

Have it on me and do please enjoy it!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/09/2020 13:11

Unisex doesn’t necessarily mean open plan

No, but it does mean that cubicles are open to people of either sex, and there have been many instances of cameras being secreted in toilets and women being filmed peeing etc

SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/09/2020 13:17

They can’t be cubicles, they have to be fully enclosed floor to ceiling. Then it really doesn’t matter.

Yes it does because

a) cameras (as I've previously commented)

b) assaults - women and children have been raped in "floor to ceiling" lavatory facilities, when men have shoved them in and pushed in after them. Similarly women and children have been assaulted in the hand washing areas which are accessed by everyone - just because they are semi-public areas if doesn't mean that some perverted chancer isn't prepared to risk it, because they do!

RunningFromInsanity · 14/09/2020 13:17

@SchadenfreudePersonified

Unisex doesn’t necessarily mean open plan

No, but it does mean that cubicles are open to people of either sex, and there have been many instances of cameras being secreted in toilets and women being filmed peeing etc

That could literally happen anywhere though.

Lots of places (including my place of work) have one enclosed toilet room or changing room which is used by men and women.

What about disabled toilets? Used by men and women. Lots of opportunity for secret recording devices to be placed.

Where does it end?