To ask black mumsnetters a question.

[Sexnotgender]

Do you think there’s more racism since the BLM movement?

I was discussing this with my husband this morning and I think misogyny is worse since ‘me too’ happened and I was wondering if you’re seeing the same.

I think that as the subject of black equity and equality is on the table that there is more opportunity for racist views to be expressed.

Same thing for metoo, though I’ve not quite as much evidence of that on say twitter.

If I remember correctly racist crimes have increased since the Brexit vote.

It’s depressing.

Maybe it is just that it’s being discussed more so seems like it’s more prevalent?

Yes it’s very depressing.

I am not black but I've noticed some of my all white family have started spouting racist views that I never knew they held. It's been an eye opener and I think it's because BLM has opened the doors to debate.

I think it’s opened a door for some people to share their racist views under the guise of discussing BLM when actually they have no intention of educating themselves and just want to talk shit and get away with it.

I will say I have been saddened and sickened that people I thought were decent are actually nasty racists. I have less friends on SM and in real life now I know their views. It's not enough not being racist we need to be anti racist. I won't put up with it and I will and have removed people from my life for being racist.

Absolutely. You only need to look at the fact that 15k people have complained about Diversity’s dance to know it’s true. Any form of vaguely BLM-type post on Facebook and Twitter brings them crawling out from under their rocks. As for the comments in the Daily Mail column of shame, even the most innocuous post regarding black celebrities brings forth bile by the gallon...

So more that people feel more open to sharing these views now.

There isn't more racism. It is that some white people think it gives them a green light to verbally express the racist views they had. People who now verbally express racist views always expressed their racism, but if you are white you would not see it as it would not be what you perceived as racism.

@captainjacksparrow

I think it’s opened a door for some people to share their racist views under the guise of discussing BLM when actually they have no intention of educating themselves and just want to talk shit and get away with it.

This. With bells on.

Racism is being discussed more and for some racist the mask sometimes slips. In real life, covid and social distancing has blurred some lines. Have you been asked by fellow customers to move further away from them compared to white customers yet? Because it happened with me and Dh and we can’t agree if it was coming from a racist angle or concern as COVID-19 effects BAME people more.

I am not black but I've noticed some of my all white family have started spouting racist views that I never knew they held. It's been an eye opener and I think it's because BLM has opened the doors to debate

This. I'm horrified by what some people have said/posted and it's almost that they think just because I am white too that I'll obviously agree with their racist bile. It's been very eye opening and amazing how we think we know people and we really don't. Oh and the generation /age excuse makes me feel murderous.

It seems people are so rigid in their thinking now, when someone admits not supporting BLM they are automatically labelled as "racist". Why? I'm black and I dont support this organization. Why do white decent folks feel obliged to support so much crap? End of nuclear family? Marxism? Any organization that refers to woman as c is can get lost. BLM (and Covid19) made me rethink my politics during 2020. Gave up reading the Guardian this year in disgust with their reporting of these issues.

As for racism: as a black woman I'm observing a lot of people being extra careful to 'validate' me and such crap. Wish random white people could just act normal (*) and leave the condescending ways behind.

(*) I know you are not racist, dont need to go out of your way to prove it.

There is a particular wave towards us black woman, mysongynoir bloody spell checker 😒

I've certainly heard people say some pretty bigoted things about Indians/Asians in regard to covid, but truthfully speaking I've also noticed much less social distancing in these communities which might account for the resurge in majority Asian areas up north, quickly affects people's views.

I'm basing my comment on the last few weeks spent working in places like Alum Rock, Sparkbrook, Sparkhill, Handsworth, Yardley Wood, Chelmsley Wood, etc. We service a lot of large ethnic supermarkets and during compliance visits I've noticed much less social distancing that going to say a Tesco or Sainsburys.

'Likely affecting people's views' I meant.

There isn't more racism. It is that some white people think it gives them a green light to verbally express the racist views they had.

Sadly I think you’re probably spot on. Same with the misogyny.

Posted too soon.

I guess it lets you know who to avoid.

I saw a very interesting study discussed in a BBC 4 documentary on women which really stayed with me. It was about whether sexist language on social media made people sexist. The conclusion was that if you were not sexist, it would not change that. But if you were sexist, seeing it from other people would you the confidence to become sexist, to act in a sexist way. You felt empowered to do so because you could see other people felt like you. I think it’s the same with racism and Brexit. Not everyone voted for Brexit because they didn’t like foreigners / black people - but for those who did, winning the referendum has empowered them.

BLM has raised the bigotry louder again but it's a rising tide of arseholes from long before. Nineteen years of anti Muslim bigotry suddenly becoming casually socially acceptable, then the last six+ years of fucking Farage and anti-European, anti-immigrant rhetoric, our current darling government's overt racism with Windrush and Grenfell, Trump's vile shit being all over the socials, white supremacists raising platforms everywhere... COVID blaming "oh those people with their large families" always meaning BAME. The racists are emboldened and think it's acceptable now, and it's accelerated this year with BLM.

It's horrible.

The kids seem to be mostly non-racist still, at least in towns. There's hope.

@nutellafortea I feel the same about BLM. I can't and don't support that group but as a white woman not supporting BLM obviously makes me racist. A while ago my neighbour was talking about taking his kids to the protests and asked if i would be attending, the absolute bollocking i got when i told him that i didn't support the group was a bit of a shock.
I think some white people are afraid to admit that they don't support BLM as it could be seen as racism rather than just not supporting a group with rather questionable views.

To ask black mumsnetters a question.

QuoteSexnotgender
Do you think there’s more racism since the BLM movement?

I was discussing this with my husband this morning and I think misogyny is worse since ‘me too’ happened and I was wondering if you’re seeing the same.

This thread is racist. Why only ask black mumsnetters?

@Sexnotgender

Do you think there’s more racism since the BLM movement?

I was discussing this with my husband this morning and I think misogyny is worse since ‘me too’ happened and I was wondering if you’re seeing the same.

Reporting and talking more doesn't mean there's "more". It means it's less concealed. Then again, as the saying goes:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Perhaps this is that last fight stage before they lose.

This thread is racist. Why only ask black mumsnetters?

Because I was asking specifically in the context of BLM.