To ask black mumsnetters a question.

[Sexnotgender]

Do you think there’s more racism since the BLM movement?

I was discussing this with my husband this morning and I think misogyny is worse since ‘me too’ happened and I was wondering if you’re seeing the same.

[quote RedRumTheHorse]@CuriousaboutSamphire then you aren't colour blind. Colour blind is not seeing that there are differences between people due to the colour of their skin and ethnicity, and people are treated negatively by institutions and governments due to this.

Also it ignores the fact that some people have to be treated differently due to their ethnicity. I brought up maternity issues because colour blind people ignore the fact that certain groups of people, mostly indicated by the colour of their skin, need special treatment. This special treatment can simply just be being listened to and offering the correct tests/advice to more extensive intervention like what Serena Williams required.[/quote]
That may be how it is described nowadays, but I was taught to be colourblind, the term was used. I don't see the colour of anyone's skin any more or less than I see hair colour - as in I see it, might note it but don't act on having noted it! And I recognise institutional and individual racism in the same way I do any other bigotry. I suppose that might be an issue... I think I am 'intersectional' as the author of the term originally intended it to be used, as that makes perfect sense to me.

But your post makes so much sense of some of the responses I get. It seems the term has morphed over the years. Gone from a positive, aspirant state of mind to a negative one!

Thank you.

You seem to be confusing Marxism and neo-Marxism. Perhaps you should start another thread where you can discuss your 'understanding' of both rather thandetailing this one. If you are genuinely interested in this and not just being a gf, there are also lots of interviews available online with the founders of BLM US and BLM UK.

I’m not de-railing the thread @MeridaTheBold, I’m merely questioning your own assertion that the organisation in question was neo-Marxist (a term that’s never used by any genuine organisation rooted in Marxist philosophy. Nor by individuals -no one ever calls themselves a neo-Marxist). End of. I’m taking myself off this thread as it’s not asking for white people’s opinions - I suggest you do the same.

Don't assume other poster's ethnicity. Your privilege is showing.

@JayDot500

I want to add what I really hate. I'm black, and if a black person commits a terrible crime, no I am not going to stand up for him just because he's black.

On the other side, of this is my local FB crime group. Most of the criminals caught are white, for all sorts of crimes ranging from awful to minor. You do get comments, and likes on them. But as soon as there's a black man (usually weed/theft related) caught by the police, then the flood gates open and the comments are so awful to read as a black person. And of course, silly me went through the group's history to see if I was being unreasonable. I'm not.

Yeah, also this "black on Black" crime shite, you never ever hear of a crime being called white on white crime, it's really blatant and mostly accepted racism because it's "facts" but it's only facts when black people are involved. Knife crime in London for example, it's isn't an issue because a lot of those involved are black, it's an issue because of the socioeconomic status of those involved, same way it happened in Glasgow where the people involved were mainly white, it was never a "white" issue then though.

*I'm white

Do you think there’s more racism since the BLM movement?

Nope - the increase happened with BREXIT. Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson opened the floodgates. The covert racists were given the greenlight to step out and be overtly racist.

I don't like that we take on the USA's issues.
If you really think you can influence the USA go out and demand that guns be banned! That would save more lives across the board - but no one does that because they would be wasting their time, likewise BLM support is wasting your time imv. The US quite rightly doesn't care what random Brits think. BLM is not all for the good. It could result in MORE support for Trump.
Be sensible rather than top wokeist person on yr FB goup.

Straven you dont believe POC in the uk when they talk about how they encounter racism every single day? You dont believe POC when they say they are more likely to be stopped and searched than white people of their age? Or do you think that 'driving while black' is a stoppable offence?

I have just shown this thread to my (black, bright, politically savvy) 26 year old after being rather taken aback by the finger pointing.

In my DDs opinion, ( after she’d finished laughing) the OP has asked the opinion specifically of black women, no I’m not a bigot for asking the question, not answering the question was an answer in itself ..and that getting annoyed by strangers on the internet on a sunny day ain’t the best use of my energy. So on that basis, have a lovely afternoon @MeridaTheBold!

I never hear crime being called 'Black on Black'! So white on white as a thing isn't in my orbit either. In Glasgow the gangs in the past were just called gangs, as far as I'm aware the gangs now are just gangs. I feel quite often people equate what is happening in one part of the country -London as something that happens all over but it doesn't. Up north we're not concerned about Black on Black anything.

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@Doubletrouble99

I never hear crime being called 'Black on Black'! So white on white as a thing isn't in my orbit either. In Glasgow the gangs in the past were just called gangs, as far as I'm aware the gangs now are just gangs. I feel quite often people equate what is happening in one part of the country -London as something that happens all over but it doesn't. Up north we're not concerned about Black on Black anything.

I'm not even from the UK and have heard gang issues in London being referred to black on black! It's disgusting

Wasn't "black on black" crime coined after the Met were asked to specifically set up a task force to tackle it though, in part by communities concerned that their young people were being stabbed and killed?

@AryaStarkWolf it's all so disheartened. My brother was stabbed by another black boy years ago, the police were very helpful but the boy got off because of lack of evidence (and his mum lied for him). We have marched and been to talks etc.

People (some even black!) love to throw 'black on black' crime at me if I talk about issues concerning racism, and honestly it cuts deeply. Living in Tottenham, London isn't a breeze. I've said on this site before that, as a part of my job, I've engaged with young aged drug dealers of all colours. They fear for their lives; gang culture is really not just a black issue. It's a poverty/marginalised community issue.

Wasn't "black on black" crime coined after the Met were asked to specifically set up a task force to tackle it though, in part by communities concerned that their young people were being stabbed and killed?

Um no. I’ve heard that phrases used for decades and often against black people as a while especially in the States. Intraracial crime happens in all races but there isn’t white on white crime, asian on asian crime, etc..

Yes definitely, the Blm movement in many peoples minds is associated with rioting ans looting and it will also get Donald Trump a second term.

@EDSGFC

Wasn't "black on black" crime coined after the Met were asked to specifically set up a task force to tackle it though, in part by communities concerned that their young people were being stabbed and killed?

Why call it that though? It's implying that the reason they're joining gangs/stabbing people is that they're black and that's not the case. It's a pretty loaded phrase and worse if it's been called that by the Police

[quote JayDot500]@AryaStarkWolf it's all so disheartened. My brother was stabbed by another black boy years ago, the police were very helpful but the boy got off because of lack of evidence (and his mum lied for him). We have marched and been to talks etc.

People (some even black!) love to throw 'black on black' crime at me if I talk about issues concerning racism, and honestly it cuts deeply. Living in Tottenham, London isn't a breeze. I've said on this site before that, as a part of my job, I've engaged with young aged drug dealers of all colours. They fear for their lives; gang culture is really not just a black issue. It's a poverty/marginalised community issue.[/quote]
I'm so sorry to hear about your brother, I hope he was OK?

Of course it's not just a black issue, that makes no sense at all and it's not helpful to refer to it as that because it's not focusing on the actual cause of the problem which is what you say poverty and marginalised communities (which was exactly the same cause of the issues in Glasgow when it was mostly white people)

Why call it that though? It's implying that the reason they're joining gangs/stabbing people is that they're black and that's not the case. It's a pretty loaded phrase and worse if it's been called that by the Police

I don't know why it was called that or who coined the phrase - possibly the media? Certainly there was a police task force set up to investigate and prevent crime that was committed by black people on black victims and that was following calls by the community to tackle the issue as so many were dying.

You might well say why don't we talk about white on white crime. Equally, we don't have a specific police task force to tackle it.

I cannot remember the name of the operation. If I could I'd look it up to see what it's remit was and the terms used.

@EDSGFC

Why call it that though? It's implying that the reason they're joining gangs/stabbing people is that they're black and that's not the case. It's a pretty loaded phrase and worse if it's been called that by the Police

I don't know why it was called that or who coined the phrase - possibly the media? Certainly there was a police task force set up to investigate and prevent crime that was committed by black people on black victims and that was following calls by the community to tackle the issue as so many were dying.

You might well say why don't we talk about white on white crime. Equally, we don't have a specific police task force to tackle it.

I cannot remember the name of the operation. If I could I'd look it up to see what it's remit was and the terms used.

There was a specific task force to tackle white on white crime in Glasgow, and guess what? It wasn't referred to as "White on white" crime.....funny that

There was a specific task force to tackle white on white crime in Glasgow, and guess what? It wasn't referred to as "White on white" crime.....funny that

Ok. So how do they describe it then? How do they explain what their task is if it's, as you say, to tackle white on white crime, how is that explained without using the phrase "white on white"?