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To have semi ghosted and then been direct with friend?

58 replies

CutToChase · 12/09/2020 17:27

Sorry this is long. NC.

I have a friend who is more "grounded" than I am. I'm more someone who has made a few mistakes by being impulsive, changing my mind, etc. Although I never really see choices as mistakes as such. She likes everything to be entirely logical and thought through. Fair enough, we are all different.

She can be quite condescending towards me at times when I would be discussing life plans or whatever, which i would take as her being constructive in her "no beating around the bush" way. However when the tables are turned, rather than take on MY advice to HER, she would become very defensive. It's like she will be asking for advice but actually not, because every time you give her advice, she'll them expend huge amounts of energy detailing why your advice is wrong and doesnt make sense in the context of her life. So basically she gives me this "no bullshit straight talking advice", and in return I have to be kind of "yeah, sounds like you have it all sorted, that sounds like a great idea".

I mentioned how I was starting to look into teaching as a possible career change. She was really dismissive, and said "this is just like - what? Insane. What are you on about? Have you even taught before? You're clueless about what teaching entails. I think you need to have a long hard think and get real". Standard.
Unbeknownst to her, I have actually taught in secondary schools before, and I enjoyed it.

A few days later she started talking about how she really wanted to move city (shes been talking about this for years), so I said she should go for it. She said it wasnt worth it because she has a great flat where she lives now (rented), and if she moved and then changed her mind, she would have given up this flat and she had "too much to lose".

Ordinarily I would just say fine, yeah, good point, you're right. But I decided to actually test out what would happen if i gave her the kind of advice she normally gives me. So i did. I said "I think it's a bit insane to put off making a decision that clearly means something to you just because of a rented flat. It's a rented flat. It's not the only amazing rented flat in the entire city, if you change your mind you'll find another one. Saying you have too much to lose is a little disproportionate."

In response she became completely defensive. She sent me like 10 whatsapp voice messages justifying why she was completely right to feel the way she did, and ended with: "I mean I'm not like you. I'm not going to fuck things up by making some snap decision with zero thought".

Excuse me????! That actually really hurt. I also really dont get the defensiveness.

I cooled off for two weeks and in the meantime she sent me some pics of a mould problem she is having and some other messages, but I didn't respond.

Last night finally I thought I should get back in touch. Asked for her news, gave her some of mine. This morning she replied with a long message about how I hadn't been there for her during the mould problem and had basically ghosted her. She said "luckily I had other friends to support me with the problem" but that she was upset.

In response, I said I felt she had been condescending to me, that our dynamic was out of kilter and that I didnt appreciate this imbalance in the way we react to one another. I said it feels like she wants to be talking "down" to me and me "up" to her, and that she was defensive and patronising to me generally, and that I didnt like it and had been hurt.

I just... Shes replied to me with loads of long messages (havent read them) but I feel on edge. I want to understand her mindset. What is going on here? Any advice or thoughts? Was I too direct? I feel bad for leaving her 2 weeks without a response.

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Moltenpink · 12/09/2020 17:31

I think you need to pull the plaster off and see what she replied. She sounds way too intense for me.

CornishTiger · 12/09/2020 17:34

Gosh I’m exhausted just reading that. Goodness knows how you feel.

Boundaries work needed.

Also She’s happy to be over invested in critical analyse of someone’s situation but not her own. No that’s not how it works.

Ponoka7 · 12/09/2020 17:35

Do you think that you're the friend that she uses to feel better about herself? Sometimes a dynamic can form and the person on top doesn't like being challenged.

AbsentmindedWoman · 12/09/2020 17:36

I feel tired just reading about her.

Also...you weren't there for her during her mould problem? Hmm Grin

CutToChase · 12/09/2020 17:42

@CornishTiger I am actively trying to work on boundaries because I dont have any. This interaction today was part of me trying to start doing that!

I have to admit i didnt realise that she needed me to be there for the mould. It was pretty intense mould in all fairness!

She is a great person who offers very relevant advice often. I just find it a bit tiring when someone is always putting themself in a position of always being "totally sorted". Somehow it has come to feel like she is on top of everything and everything is great whereas I'm some kind of mess/basket case/not rational.

I think it feels that way because I've always been open when I'm struggling with something, receptive to solutions about how to change stuff, but inadvertently it seems I helped create this dynamic!

Guess I need to read the messages

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CutToChase · 12/09/2020 17:45

@Ponoka7

Didnt think of it from that perspective but it's possible I guess. Normally we all have a slightly different dynamic with each friend and feel slightly differently about ourselves depending on the friend in question, it's true.

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Derekhello · 12/09/2020 17:48

Blimey she sounds hard work and enjoys putting you down. Also her flat isn’t that great is it if it’s got a mould problem 🤔 (not judging by the way, I have my own mould problem Hmm )

ifoundafoxcaughtbydogs · 12/09/2020 18:07

Is the mould in the flat that's too good to lose? Confused

I would say definitely stick to your very good plan of setting boundaries. Either it will pay off or you'll lose a pretty rubbish friend but have had a good practice at being firm.

honeylulu · 12/09/2020 18:36

I said it feels like she wants to be talking "down" to me and me "up" to her

I think this is extremely astute of you. If she cannot accept that and take steps to address it (rather than railroad you into apologising for making a very reasonable observation) then she is probably a friend you can do without.

It is very telling that she is quite cutting and rude about your life choices but lost the plot when you made the same approach to her. She considers you her inferior, her lady in waiting, and she's angry now because you didn't "know your place".

Toomanyradishes · 12/09/2020 18:48

Honestly she sounds exhausting, i can easily go 2 months or more between talking to friends and think nothing of it. And who needs support with a mould problem to that degree. She should move cities, leave beind "amazingly mouldy flat" and stop the dramatics. It sounds like she needs you as a friend for her convenience not because she wants to be a friend

FishPalace · 12/09/2020 18:53

I'd end the friendship on the grounds of the exhausting drama alone.

Clearly I am a Terribly, Terribly Strong Type, as I have weathered mould, rising damp, a misbehaving sceptic tank and an infestation of attic squirrels without troubling my friends with cries for help.

YellowNotRed · 12/09/2020 18:57

Jeeze she is intense! Leave her to it, sounds like she is very insecure and exhausting. You've done nothing wrong.

And the mould will be her fault (condensation).

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 12/09/2020 18:57

She’s not grounded. She’s nuts. Ditch her.

Smallsteps88 · 12/09/2020 19:04

Friendships shouldn't be hard work. This isn't friendship. You're full of contempt for each other. let her go.

islockdownoveryet · 12/09/2020 19:05

Her mould problem!!
The poor dear who will play her in her life story .
Sorry but she's a drama llama

Ceilingfan · 12/09/2020 19:05

Nope, she's too much hard work.

Start to distance yourself, you need friends to help build you up, not tear you down.

Smallsteps88 · 12/09/2020 19:07

And the mould will be her fault (condensation).

you cant possibly assert that. You've no idea. it could be a broken gutter tipping water down the side of the building. It could be a poorly designed building with awful ventilation.

DrManhattan · 12/09/2020 19:11

How bad was that mould???? :)

Suzi888 · 12/09/2020 19:12

I think she slightly admires your impulsiveness (at least she seems to view you that way?)
She obviously needs everything mapped out, no failure allowed.

Splellow · 12/09/2020 19:13

She sounds really annoying

danascully96 · 12/09/2020 19:18

I would be honest with her. She’s a hypocrite and she’s cruel towards you, dismissing your wisdom and abilities to the point where she’s actively beating you down.

She’s not a friend. I knew people like that, who were catty and insecure. Unfortunately, they’re just going to keep hurting you even if you feel compassion for them.

BloggersBlog · 12/09/2020 19:29

I could have put up with friends not supporting me through family problems, illness, financial worries..but if they werent there for me during Mouldgate - they'd be outta my life and no mistaking

She sounds hard work, entitled and a bit boring to say the least

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/09/2020 19:31

I’m afraid I laughed out loud at ‘You weren’t there for me through my mould problem’. I’m just picturing her sharing a passive aggressive Facebook meme saying ‘True friends are there in times of cheer and times of mould’.

I would keep my distance from her from now on. I find it exhausting when people present an issue where there are only two options and complain about both of them (i.e. moving means leaving lovely Mould Mansions, but staying means she doesn’t get to live in the other city, and neither compromise is the right one.)

DoubleDessertPlease · 12/09/2020 19:32

Sorry, slightly off topic, but if her mould problem was that bad why’s she so bothered about staying in the rental flat? Her responses sound quite hurtful though tbh.

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 12/09/2020 19:33

@StillCoughingandLaughing

I’m afraid I laughed out loud at ‘You weren’t there for me through my mould problem’. I’m just picturing her sharing a passive aggressive Facebook meme saying ‘True friends are there in times of cheer and times of mould’.

I would keep my distance from her from now on. I find it exhausting when people present an issue where there are only two options and complain about both of them (i.e. moving means leaving lovely Mould Mansions, but staying means she doesn’t get to live in the other city, and neither compromise is the right one.)

I also laughed out loud at it. 😂 you weren’t there through my mould problem!
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