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To have semi ghosted and then been direct with friend?

58 replies

CutToChase · 12/09/2020 17:27

Sorry this is long. NC.

I have a friend who is more "grounded" than I am. I'm more someone who has made a few mistakes by being impulsive, changing my mind, etc. Although I never really see choices as mistakes as such. She likes everything to be entirely logical and thought through. Fair enough, we are all different.

She can be quite condescending towards me at times when I would be discussing life plans or whatever, which i would take as her being constructive in her "no beating around the bush" way. However when the tables are turned, rather than take on MY advice to HER, she would become very defensive. It's like she will be asking for advice but actually not, because every time you give her advice, she'll them expend huge amounts of energy detailing why your advice is wrong and doesnt make sense in the context of her life. So basically she gives me this "no bullshit straight talking advice", and in return I have to be kind of "yeah, sounds like you have it all sorted, that sounds like a great idea".

I mentioned how I was starting to look into teaching as a possible career change. She was really dismissive, and said "this is just like - what? Insane. What are you on about? Have you even taught before? You're clueless about what teaching entails. I think you need to have a long hard think and get real". Standard.
Unbeknownst to her, I have actually taught in secondary schools before, and I enjoyed it.

A few days later she started talking about how she really wanted to move city (shes been talking about this for years), so I said she should go for it. She said it wasnt worth it because she has a great flat where she lives now (rented), and if she moved and then changed her mind, she would have given up this flat and she had "too much to lose".

Ordinarily I would just say fine, yeah, good point, you're right. But I decided to actually test out what would happen if i gave her the kind of advice she normally gives me. So i did. I said "I think it's a bit insane to put off making a decision that clearly means something to you just because of a rented flat. It's a rented flat. It's not the only amazing rented flat in the entire city, if you change your mind you'll find another one. Saying you have too much to lose is a little disproportionate."

In response she became completely defensive. She sent me like 10 whatsapp voice messages justifying why she was completely right to feel the way she did, and ended with: "I mean I'm not like you. I'm not going to fuck things up by making some snap decision with zero thought".

Excuse me????! That actually really hurt. I also really dont get the defensiveness.

I cooled off for two weeks and in the meantime she sent me some pics of a mould problem she is having and some other messages, but I didn't respond.

Last night finally I thought I should get back in touch. Asked for her news, gave her some of mine. This morning she replied with a long message about how I hadn't been there for her during the mould problem and had basically ghosted her. She said "luckily I had other friends to support me with the problem" but that she was upset.

In response, I said I felt she had been condescending to me, that our dynamic was out of kilter and that I didnt appreciate this imbalance in the way we react to one another. I said it feels like she wants to be talking "down" to me and me "up" to her, and that she was defensive and patronising to me generally, and that I didnt like it and had been hurt.

I just... Shes replied to me with loads of long messages (havent read them) but I feel on edge. I want to understand her mindset. What is going on here? Any advice or thoughts? Was I too direct? I feel bad for leaving her 2 weeks without a response.

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FrenchtoEnglish · 12/09/2020 19:39

Send her some Cillit Bang and block her.

Bourbonbiccy · 12/09/2020 19:43

A true friendship is really only proven in tough times and how you both resolve them.

If you truly are friends you should be able sit face to face and discuss things, I hate people's who like to try and resolve things over the phone, be it a phone call but definitely never do it over messages or whatsapp they can be taken so wrong.

If you haven't even read all get messages you don't truly know her view, and the bottom line is

if she won't change do you still want her in your life, if not just lay it out like that.

It is not worth having anyone in your life who doesn't try to make you feel good about yourself and try and make your life better and nicer.

Friendships shouldn't be such hard work as this sounds but if it is a genuine friendship, I would try and resolve it, but it can't always be all on you to do all the apologising if they can't see their faults.

ToastyCrumpet · 12/09/2020 19:47

She talks down to you to make herself feel better and is annoyed that you’re refusing to stay in the inferior position she’s put you in. I’d move on.

AlexanderHalexander · 12/09/2020 19:55

Place marking as I HAVE to know what the messages said

Aunty5ocial · 12/09/2020 20:05

Me too Alexander

Shemeanswell · 12/09/2020 20:11

Your comments were fair, but not being there for her mould problem is unforgivable.

TheNewSchmoo · 12/09/2020 20:17

@FrenchtoEnglish

Send her some Cillit Bang and block her.
OK so that really made me laugh
CutToChase · 12/09/2020 20:20

Okay so I checked and there is a 6 minute WhatsApp voice message and lots of text, I've run a bath so getting in in a minute and will listen. Obviously will report back, I know what it means to be invested Grin

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CutToChase · 12/09/2020 20:21

In her defence despite the mould it is a lovely flat no denying. Its just that me personally, no matter how lovely the flat if I wanted to move city I'd....move city.

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katy1213 · 12/09/2020 20:25

You both sound exhausting! Why do either of you need to keep handing out 'advice'?

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 12/09/2020 20:45

My mother only ever has friends that she can feel superior to. They have to be either very unlucky or very dim (both is a bonus!). She likes to dispense advice and bathe her friends in the glow of her wisdom. If any friend improves their own life, of shows signs of base ingratitude, they are cut off.

Do you think your friend might be a bit like this? Maybe she needs you to be feckless and unwise (in her mind) so that she has someone to feel superior to?

purplegirdles · 12/09/2020 21:11

She just sounds like she has no respect for you whatsoever and I wouldn't want a friend like that. It sounds like you're the person she uses to feel better about herself. YANBU.

CutToChase · 12/09/2020 21:19

Okay so her voice message says she is really sorry she hadn't realised I would be so sensitive about it and that she didnt think we had the kind of relationship where she felt she needed to sugar coat things but that maybe she had been too honest.

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merryhouse · 12/09/2020 21:28

In other words "I'm sorry you're offended"....

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 12/09/2020 21:29

@CutToChase

Okay so her voice message says she is really sorry she hadn't realised I would be so sensitive about it and that she didnt think we had the kind of relationship where she felt she needed to sugar coat things but that maybe she had been too honest.
That's a total non-apology. She's basically saying that she's sorry you are so moody! What do you want to do about it?
CutToChase · 12/09/2020 21:37

I sent back a message just as long saying I'm not looking for either a sugar coated friendship or a straight down the line friendship in particular, both can work, I'm looking for a friendship in which the same rules apply to both parties.

I then decided to cut a little bit close to the bone and picked up on a relationship she has started up with a guy who is insanely inappropriate (and I mean....the kind of thing that is just absolutely insane, not in terms of his personality but in terms of who he is) and said as an example, how would she have felt if I had said "WHAT? Are you out of your tiny fucking mind?! You realise this guy is xxxx? This is ridiculous." She would probably have been ultra offended.

I ended by saying "basically what I'm saying is I'm no longer comfortable with you serving up what you cant handle yourself".

Shes listened to it.

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iluvnettletea · 12/09/2020 21:51

Wow, well done!

I have found that people who were taking advantage are not happy when you start standing up for yourself. If she's a real friend she will adapt to the new order.

danascully96 · 12/09/2020 22:08

Well said, OP. Glad you're sticking up for yourself, and it seems, you're treating her with more kindness than she's shown you throughout much of the friendship... even in your goodbye to her. Better to leave with grace than sink to her level.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 12/09/2020 22:12

I can't conceive of having a friend that talked down to me, or treated me as anything other than a peer.
New friends needed OP.

purplegirdles · 12/09/2020 22:19

I think you're a lot more sorted than you give yourself credit for. You're also direct and honest, but not in a condescending way (which she is to you). It just sounds like you could do better, to be brutally honest.

Catboysmama · 12/09/2020 22:32

Why don't you both call each other and have a normal back and forth conversation? Do people actually send lengthy voice messages? And do you mean by holding in the microphone button on the WhatsApp app?

LUZON · 13/09/2020 09:12

Now I need to know why the boyfriend is unsuitable.

OP, I think you should meet up and speak with your friend. You might be able to work through this as you seem to have a good grasp of the problem. It's normal for people to be defensive when they are criticised so give your friend a bit of time to digest things. If she is a good friend it might be worth it.

eatsleepread · 13/09/2020 09:25

She sounds like a drama queen, with no real problems. What can be so difficult about mould in a rented flat, which presumably the landlord will sort out?! Confused
You sound very different and rather incompatible. Do you get on well generally, when she's not doling out her pearls of wisdom?

eatsleepread · 13/09/2020 09:26

You would dump her if she was a bloke, put it that way.

ChelseaCat · 13/09/2020 09:36

Well done OP - such a difficult thing to do but you are totally right