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Alan Sugar says put a suit on, put a dress on, put your makeup on

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Dontmakemegoback2office · 12/09/2020 10:30

Do your hair and get back into work..
All from the comfort of his own home. Mind blown.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/lord-sugar-says-public-must-put-on-a-suit-put-on-a-dress-and-get-back-to-work/

Lord Alan is of course just worried about all these office blocks that he owns and rents out through Amshold and Amsprop in places like Mayfair being empty and the losses he will now incur due to the fact that we have found a better way to live and work.

The world is changing. Either adapt or disappear.

P.s. we are working Alan, just not in your offices. Because we can do it well from home.

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Averyyounggrandmaofsix · 12/09/2020 14:51

14:20NotCommuting

Averyyounggrandmaofsix

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and even sat in his flashy car he's not struggling with the gridlocked traffic and stress of the lost time commuting, he has a chauffeur doing all the work while he sits in the back counting his profits and posting crap on twitter.

You've seen him too then with his easily identifiable car.
And his sons don't need to commute either as both their businesses are close to home.

Bakeachocolatecaketoday · 12/09/2020 14:53

I think you are all very naive if you think because it's "nicer" working at home its somehow the right thing.

People need to meet face to face for regular training, for performance reviews (there are often things that need to be said that are nuanced and not easily written or spoken over the phone). Sales 100% needs to be face to face. Anyone trying to pursuade someone needs to do it face to face.

Yes we can bumble along for a little while at home but generally you need to be "there" to actually achieve stuff.

There are many many people at the moment who are taking advantage of the situation - I have a friend who has removed her quite young child from nursery as shes working from home - I cannot image shes doing anything like enough hours as her child is 2... She's fine at the moment as there's less going on, but once the pressure is on or worse they need to make people redundant she'll be the first to go as she's just not doing the job. The worst thing is she doesn't even get that shes doing anything wrong....

LondonJax · 12/09/2020 15:02

I think it's got to be a mixture. WFH works for many people, working in a workplace works for many people. It shouldn't have to be a one size fits all thing.

I worked for a local council a number of years ago. They offered work from home because we'd outgrown our offices and couldn't justify spending tax payers money on renting more. So I worked in the office two days a week, from home three days a week. I'd work out my days so that the important 'got to get the head down' reports or confidential phone calls could be done at home. The council put in work phones for us which could be turned off when the day had finished and our office phones could be diverted to them when we were working from home.

I'm now back in the office but I won't go to the sandwich bars or for a drink after work. I'm prepared to take a Covid risk for my work - they pay me. But I'm not taking a Covid risk to get a coffee that I can make at home or buy an over priced croissant. Nor am I prepared to help the pubs. To me the benefits are not worth the risk so I'll happily go to work and home again and buy my wine from the supermarket or off licence.

On a different note, a friend of ours started her own sandwich delivery business years ago - when the trend was towards call centres in out of town business parks. She did a roaring trade, was asked to start catering small weddings or parties and finally sold her business a few years later. With the proceeds she bought four flats to let out! Pret are now going back to that business model because it makes sense to bring just one outside person into the workplace with the day's lunches, rather than everyone swan off down to a sandwich bar and line up with every other worker from different companies.

Expecting the world to come out of this in the same condition it went in is naïve and a business has to be able to adapt rather than expecting its customers to always be there. I run a small on line business and it now looks very different to the way I set it up five years ago - but that's because I still want to be in business five or ten years from now. You don't just sit back and wait in business - you change or die.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 12/09/2020 15:10

@TatianaBis

I’ve been WFH for some time before Covid came along. You do need a separate study that is quiet, comfortable and big enough.

Other than that what’s not to like about no hours wasted in commute, being able to nip out for a walk and watch Selling Sunset on your lunchbreak?

I might feel different if I had a study but I've had to use the dining table so it's been impossible to switch off. I'm lucky as I only have a 20 minute drive to work so the commute doesn't affect me (it's 90 minutes on public transport in case anyone decides I shouldn't be driving!) but I do know I'm lucky with that.
NotCommuting · 12/09/2020 16:24

@Bakeachocolatecaketoday

I think you are all very naive if you think because it's "nicer" working at home its somehow the right thing.

People need to meet face to face for regular training, for performance reviews (there are often things that need to be said that are nuanced and not easily written or spoken over the phone). Sales 100% needs to be face to face. Anyone trying to pursuade someone needs to do it face to face.

Yes we can bumble along for a little while at home but generally you need to be "there" to actually achieve stuff.

There are many many people at the moment who are taking advantage of the situation - I have a friend who has removed her quite young child from nursery as shes working from home - I cannot image shes doing anything like enough hours as her child is 2... She's fine at the moment as there's less going on, but once the pressure is on or worse they need to make people redundant she'll be the first to go as she's just not doing the job. The worst thing is she doesn't even get that shes doing anything wrong....

I'm not naive at all, meeting all my objectives and more - and phone calls are quite old school now, we use Skype and Teams for face-to-face engagment, all pretty standard stuff these days in many companies.

Are you just jealous because your 'friend' is working from home? (you dont sound much of a friend by what you've written)

Egghead68 · 12/09/2020 16:37

Bakeachocolatecaketoday
I think you are all very naive if you think because it's "nicer" working at home its somehow the right thing.

People need to meet face to face for regular training, for performance reviews (there are often things that need to be said that are nuanced and not easily written or spoken over the phone).

I am sure this is true for some jobs but not for many. All my training is online anyhow and has been for years. Appraisals are basically done by email and always have been.

I think we need a mix. What I don’t think we need to do is force people back to workplaces if they are working perfectly well from home and are happy to be there.

This shift would have happened anyhow without Covid, due to better technology. Can you really imagine office workers commuting 90 minutes each way into London everyday in 50 years time?

BlackForestCake · 12/09/2020 16:37

Alan Sugar is everything that's wrong with British business. Shoddy products, short-termism, bullying management.

Fungster · 12/09/2020 17:28

@nokidshere

It's not just Alan sugar and people like him who have their own agenda though is it. People are inherently selfish and don't care what is happening to the wider world as long as they are ok.

It's all very well saying 'I love whf' but that because it suits you. Employers are laughing all the way to the bank now they don't have extra costs of premises/heating/etc. Their staff are essentially looking after themselves, and using their own resources to do so. Meanwhile service based shops and restaurants etc are in danger of disappearing from our town centres and many people won't be able to work at all.

Many of my friends want to go back to work. Having your home and office in the same space is not conducive to good mental health for many people. Lots don't have the luxury of a separate space in which to work, or even a quiet space. Salaries will go down, pensions will be diminished, claims for mental health, back problems, stress will go up. Companies won't need their workforce to be in the uk and will outsource it to cheaper places.

It's all very well saying well I've done that, prefer this, so let's do it this way from now on, but you are eroding the opportunities for our young people and future generations. Our young already are at a disadvantage of not being able to afford to leave home because property and rent is extortionate, now they have to work at home on their bed or the kitchen table with their parents too.

People can't be free in their own homes, the non working have to tiptoe round the working so they can be efficient and professional, children have to 'be quiet' because mummy/daddy are on a zoom call or making a telephone call.

So yes, let's have a shift in work/life balance. Let's find a solution that allows more flexibility for those who want or need it. But let's not pretend that a shift to home working for all is, or ever will be, a good thing for our country as a whole.

I completely agree.
Bbq1 · 12/09/2020 17:49

@nokidshere

It's not just Alan sugar and people like him who have their own agenda though is it. People are inherently selfish and don't care what is happening to the wider world as long as they are ok.

It's all very well saying 'I love whf' but that because it suits you. Employers are laughing all the way to the bank now they don't have extra costs of premises/heating/etc. Their staff are essentially looking after themselves, and using their own resources to do so. Meanwhile service based shops and restaurants etc are in danger of disappearing from our town centres and many people won't be able to work at all.

Many of my friends want to go back to work. Having your home and office in the same space is not conducive to good mental health for many people. Lots don't have the luxury of a separate space in which to work, or even a quiet space. Salaries will go down, pensions will be diminished, claims for mental health, back problems, stress will go up. Companies won't need their workforce to be in the uk and will outsource it to cheaper places.

It's all very well saying well I've done that, prefer this, so let's do it this way from now on, but you are eroding the opportunities for our young people and future generations. Our young already are at a disadvantage of not being able to afford to leave home because property and rent is extortionate, now they have to work at home on their bed or the kitchen table with their parents too.

People can't be free in their own homes, the non working have to tiptoe round the working so they can be efficient and professional, children have to 'be quiet' because mummy/daddy are on a zoom call or making a telephone call.

So yes, let's have a shift in work/life balance. Let's find a solution that allows more flexibility for those who want or need it. But let's not pretend that a shift to home working for all is, or ever will be, a good thing for our country as a whole.

Absolutely
Straven123 · 12/09/2020 23:01

Alan Sugar is everything that's wrong with British business. Shoddy products, short-termism, bullying management

Is there much British business, most is foreign owned.

alibongo5 · 12/09/2020 23:20

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

He's always been an elitist, sexist, robber baron dick his whole life.
Think this sums it up really.
KatherineJaneway · 13/09/2020 06:35

It's all very well saying well I've done that, prefer this, so let's do it this way from now on, but you are eroding the opportunities for our young people and future generations. Our young already are at a disadvantage of not being able to afford to leave home because property and rent is extortionate, now they have to work at home on their bed or the kitchen table with their parents too.

If they work in an industry where they can wfh all the time, surely they can live anywhere meaning not paying extortionate rents in cities etc.

Wfh means they can live anywhere and work wherever. Lots more wfh jobs open to them to further their career.

Dontmakemegoback2office · 13/09/2020 09:25

It's not just Alan sugar and people like him who have their own agenda though is it. People are inherently selfish and don't care what is happening to the wider world as long as they are ok.

People wanting a better work/ life balance don’t need to be described as having an ‘agenda’. You make it sound like it’s a bad thing. The difference between the business barons with their agenda and people wanting to work wfh, is that the Alans are trying to force other people to change their behaviour for their (barons) benefit. Those of us wanting to wfh are not trying to force anyone else to do anything.

It's all very well saying 'I love whf' but that because it suits you.
Good lord, we’re not wanting to work in a way that suits us are we? How terrible.

Employers are laughing all the way to the bank now they don't have extra costs of premises/heating/etc.
Employers have been laughing all the way to the bank for 300 years. Time we had more say.

Their staff are essentially looking after themselves, and using their own resources to do so.
We’ll have to see if the costs outweigh the benefits.

Meanwhile service based shops and restaurants etc are in danger of disappearing from our town centres and many people won't be able to work at all.
Service based shops will have to go where they’re needed. If they’re not needed then the answer isn’t to force people to have a worse quality of life to artificially prop them up.

Many of my friends want to go back to work. Having your home and office in the same space is not conducive to good mental health for many people.
It is conducive for many people. My mental health has been better than it’s been for years. Many others have said the same. Including 9 out of 10 people working from home www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-working-lockdown-coronavirus-office-grant-shapps-boris-johnson-a9693051.html

Lots don't have the luxury of a separate space in which to work, or even a quiet space.
No, but lots do.

Salaries will go down, pensions will be diminished, claims for mental health, back problems, stress will go up. Companies won't need their workforce to be in the uk and will outsource it to cheaper places.
Catastrophising. You’ve no evidence any of that will happen. London weighting maybe yes. But good people will want good jobs and employers will want to attract good people.

Outsourcing has already happened. It’s not worked well in some cases. Has in others.

It's all very well saying well I've done that, prefer this, so let's do it this way from now on,
Yes if something is working well, let’s keep doing it. I’m not seeing the flaw in this logic.

but you are eroding the opportunities for our young people and future generations. Our young already are at a disadvantage of not being able to afford to leave home because property and rent is extortionate, now they have to work at home on their bed or the kitchen table with their parents too.
Yes I can see that could be difficult. There are still lots of shops and businesses that young people are working in disproportionate numbers. Young people in office based jobs may need a balance. I’m not saying everyone should be forced to wfh. But those that want to, should be supported to do so.

People can't be free in their own homes, the non working have to tiptoe round the working so they can be efficient and professional, children have to 'be quiet' because mummy/daddy are on a zoom call or making a telephone call.
People with young children will still need childcare. But the added flexibility of wfh helps many with these arrangements and can still help w/l balance.

So yes, let's have a shift in work/life balance. Let's find a solution that allows more flexibility for those who want or need it. But let's not pretend that a shift to home working for all is, or ever will be, a good thing for our country as a whole.

Clearly not all. But for many more than originally thought it may be. The ‘country as a whole’ will adapt and change, just as human behaviour, communication and businesses have been doing for centuries.

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Sarahbeans · 13/09/2020 11:10

Totally agree @Dontmakemegoback2office.

I think for all the negatives that are listed, there are positives to come out of it too.

For example, my usually dead commuter town / village is seeing many more people around in the day time. Town Centres might be quieter, but the commuter towns who have suffered for so long are benefiting.

If people are working from home more, perhaps they can afford to move a bit further out where they can avoid the stupid south East prices and get on the housing ladder a bit more.

Then, there's the reduction of transport into the big cities. I know the air pollution from lack of cars in my local city really reduced over lockdown and has stayed lower...

For the children who might have to be quiet at home because Dad's working can be compensated by the fact that when dad finishes work at 5.30pm, he's downstairs spending time with his children at 5:31, rather than just appearing at the door before bedtime at 7pm.

For every negative there's also benefits, and I think we shouldn't rush back into the previous way of doing things because that's what we're used to, but now is a great time for us to reflect on what we need as a society, and what's best for us and perhaps a mix and match approach is the way forward.

Sarahbeans · 13/09/2020 11:25

One change I do predict we'll see in the next few years is the rise of studies being built in new houses. I don't mean the larger 4 bed houses that we see now, but I think you'll start seeing them more in smaller 3 bed semis where you don't currently get them (unless a townhouse).

everythingisginandroses · 13/09/2020 12:25

@Dontmakemegoback2office - damn, you're good! A comprehensive, logical and civil demolition job at 9.25am on a Sunday morning, chapeau! Grin

Trying to frighten and threaten people back into crowded offices via long commutes (the longest in Europe, I believe), either on public transport with the attendant risks or in cars with the attendant environmental destruction is getting very old, very quickly. People are not buying it, and why should they? Telling people that their mental health will suffer, they'll be stricken by muscuo-skeletal disorders, their work-life balance will be trashed - yes, a large open-plan office miles from home is a really good environment for avoiding these pitfalls Hmm

Having suffered a very unpleasant and long-lasting illness that made me feverish, short of breath and exhausted for weeks and weeks (started in mid-March, the week before lockdown, you may draw your own conclusions), I am mostly just grateful that I don't work for a plank like Sugar.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/09/2020 12:35

It's all very well saying 'I love whf' but that because it suits you.
Good lord, we’re not wanting to work in a way that suits us are we? How terrible.

It doesn't suit everyone though.

Lots don't have the luxury of a separate space in which to work, or even a quiet space.
No, but lots do.

Talk about I'm alright Jack! What do you suggest those of us who don't have an office space do? (Please don't use the old MN favourite 'move house')

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 13/09/2020 12:44

It's possible to think he's broadly right (I don't, but it is) whilst also seeing that his primary concern is his property investments and thinking it's a bit of a dick move for a peer to come out with this.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 13/09/2020 19:53

pinksparkly I would support people going back to the office who choose to do so - but not enforced returns where there are few benefits. I can work from home productively, safely and happily. Others cannot, because of childcare, inappropriate working space, DV, disabilities... if they wish to go into an office, then they should be free to do so. But only on a voluntary basis.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/09/2020 19:59

@AndNoneForGretchenWieners I agree, but the attitude of some people seems to be that they’re ok working from home so therefore everyone else should be. I’ll bet that most of them have properly equipped office space rather than a dining room table or desk in the bedroom!

user1471565182 · 13/09/2020 20:15

I do find that in general everybody is expected to serve the needs of those who are terrified of being in their own company and want to cling to antiquated working practices.

MyBedIsMyDesk · 13/09/2020 20:21

He can fuck right off. UK businesses are operating very effectively in the new normal without paying any attention to him.

He's a dinosaur. He hasn't learned how things could be done more effectively. He wants people sat at their desks all day. His loss. Why on earth would anyone work for this idiot?

WilheminaVenable · 13/09/2020 20:50

Thing is it’s not a choice most people are making. If your office is closed then you can’t go in. No matter if you want to or not. Like when there was furlough bashing, most people didn’t have a choice you can’t just go back when there’s no work for you.

Amanduh · 13/09/2020 20:58

He’s right, and 95% of people who think they are doing a better or just as good a job from home are delusional. There obviously are some. But many of them are just not. Also LOL at people now disliking him because he cares firstly about money and profit.
Anybody who doesn’t care about those things as #1 don’t have a successful business! ‘We’re’ not telling him anything about WFH. 99% of people I know crave to go back to work as before. They miss everything they once moaned about! The capitalism argument is hilarious. Live off thin air and happiness then 😂

champagnesupernovainthesky · 13/09/2020 21:03

Only just read through this thread. I dont understand the attitude of hating on people who have achieved and want to continue to do well like Lord Sugar. Its like reverse snobbery.

But yes, we should surely be looking at getting things moving properly?

I think in a years time those working from home will be missing the office environment, colleagues and more social side of working.