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Why did Netflix allow this film?

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latheritup · 11/09/2020 01:08

Please take a second to watch the video on this link, this is the final dance scene of the new movie on Netflix called Cuties.

mobile.twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349

I cannot understand why Netflix thought this was the right film to add to their selections. These are children.

There are several petitions going round to get this removed off their platform.

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 11/09/2020 12:41

Has anyone said ban it? Has anyone said put your fingers back in your ears and go back to being comfortable? Pretty sure I've not. Shit like this makes me the opposite of comfortable.

It's easy to make a film which highlights an issue but really, what change does it make? Bugger all.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 12:43

Trigger warning for sexualised images of children.

That surely has to be one of the most common triggers for trauma survivors?

latheritup · 11/09/2020 12:46

@Cassilis

My DD is 6 months old so I'm very new to being 'mum' and maybe I'm sensitive but it upsets me.

I agree the film is disturbing, but I really hate this view that you feel things more because you're a mum and therefore it's more upsetting, OP. Don't do that.

I mentioned I was tired last night from night feeds and I saw this hence the post and was flamed for posting whilst tired and not researching before sharing.

I didn't mean any harm in this comment.

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purpleboy · 11/09/2020 12:52

kind of hard to act dancing without dancing. The director's whole point is that this happens in society for real. That's what we should be outraged about, and I think they've evidently done a pretty good job of drawing attention to the subject. But go ahead, ban the movie, put your fingers back in your ears, go back to being comfortable.

And you think this is the best way of raising awareness? Absolutely disagree, what they have done is given paedos material to get off on.
This is much bigger than the director was aiming to achieve, this is about the normalisation of paedophilia and sexualising children.

latheritup · 11/09/2020 12:52

I have finished the film and regardless of the message the director is trying to portray, she didn't need to make a film with the many inappropriate scenes involving young girls. She could have made a documentary with real life parents and children and had a healthy discussion.

Nothing anyone says about 'context' will ever make zooming in on a child bending over ok.

Ever.

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TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 11/09/2020 13:06

Agreed. The young actors are still being subjected to close ups of their bums and private areas. They are just too young to understand the implications of this. It will be on film for their whole lives. I think it's abusive. They could have made their point while cutting away at the more explicit dance moments to just show the parents reactions, or close ups of the girls faces instead of their whole bodies. It doesn't sit well with me at all.

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2020 13:20

the young girls in the film have been exploited, no idea why their parents allowed them to do the film

These girls have been let down enormously. This won't go away. They're not old enough to know what the long term implications are - where were the parents, guardians to protect them? Now they're out there on film, in perpetuity. Absolutely awful.

Winesalot · 11/09/2020 13:25

kind of hard to act dancing without dancing.

It didn’t have to have to show every detail at angles that made everything wonderfully clear. It could also have been a documentary rather than a film. There were other ways to approach this without actually showing 11 year olds actually doing this.

The director's whole point is that this happens in society for real. That's what we should be outraged about, and I think they've evidently done a pretty good job of drawing attention to the subject.

It does happen in real life for sure. I was very careful in which dance schools my own daughter went to as I saw local ‘dance group displays’ which made me so very uncomfortable. However, the point remains there were other ways to make the point about sexualising children without actually sexualising children.

But go ahead, ban the movie, put your fingers back in your ears, go back to being comfortable.

And are the people who continue to support this film sticking their fingers in their ears that this film will be watched by people who are not interested in the message the director wants to convey. Who are the very people who want this behaviour to become mainstream. Or do you believe those people are a very small minority and let’s ignore them, because the message that the director intended had worked to highlight the issue, so it doesn’t matter that these girls are now featuring in someone’s fantasies.

And if anyone who believes they are such a small minority needs to pull the fingers out of their ears. The tip of the iceberg is very easy to find on twitter, and the hidden iceberg is very large indeed.

VinylDetective · 11/09/2020 13:46

@oldwhyno

kind of hard to act dancing without dancing. The director's whole point is that this happens in society for real. That's what we should be outraged about, and I think they've evidently done a pretty good job of drawing attention to the subject. But go ahead, ban the movie, put your fingers back in your ears, go back to being comfortable.
I completely agree with this. It makes me feel uncomfortable because it’s supposed to. The audience reaction couldn’t make that clearer.
Paddingtonjuice · 11/09/2020 14:04

Nobody should be sexually exploiting children to bring awareness to an issue. This is not art. You don’t improve the lives of little girls by providing material for pedophiles to jack off to on a mainstream platform. It’s not ok to show graphic images of children because you think you make a good point. It feels we are on a slippery slope here.

AuntyPasta · 11/09/2020 14:13

’It makes me feel uncomfortable because it’s supposed to’

This ^

AuntyPasta · 11/09/2020 14:16

Those worrying about deepfake style porn and paedophiles should be looking at who has access to the back to school photos they posted on SM.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 14:17

Good grief.

It makes most people uncomfortable to see an 11 year old rubbing their crotch for adult entertainment because it is morally wrong.

Are people so morally bankrupt that they need to be directed towards how they are supposed to feel about it?

VinylDetective · 11/09/2020 14:22

Are people so morally bankrupt that they need to be directed towards how they are supposed to feel about it?

Have you missed the point entirely or are you being disingenuous?

Winesalot · 11/09/2020 14:23

Those worrying about deepfake style porn and paedophiles should be looking at who has access to the back to school photos they posted on SM.

Absolutely!

Still doesn’t excuse this film format though. In any way shape or form.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 14:24

I don’t think it is acceptable to be disingenuous about paedophilia. I think I have made it clear that I am being serious.

VinylDetective · 11/09/2020 14:26

@Stripesgalore

I don’t think it is acceptable to be disingenuous about paedophilia. I think I have made it clear that I am being serious.
So you genuinely missed the point then.
AuntyPasta · 11/09/2020 14:27

The film is partially about the hyper sexualisation of pre teen girls. It’s not a new topic when it comes to dance. My mother wouldn’t let me join a dance group at 7 years old because she wasn’t happy with the imitation of adult dance moves, the costumes and the makeup. She felt it was too sexualised and mature for little girls. Music videos have moved on a lot since then and the dancing has become a lot more explicit. I think it’s become more of a concern with video sharing sites like TikTok. What was once girls copying dance moves in their bedroom is now them uploading videos of themselves dancing in their bedrooms.

Stripesgalore · 11/09/2020 14:29

It’s a shame the girls in this film didn’t have a mum like yours AuntyPasta.

AuntyPasta · 11/09/2020 14:35

I can see why people wouldn’t want their child on film doing this. I don’t think it’s going to follow them around as a poster claimed earlier Hmm or damage their careers in any way. I don’t think it’s going to be wank fodder for paedophiles either because, unfortunately, we live in a world where there are websites full of explicit abuse imagery for them to access. I think it could lead to bullying from their peers but I’d imagine doing any dance routine on film could lead to bullying from their peers because kids are arseholes.

Winesalot · 11/09/2020 14:44

I don’t think it’s going to be wank fodder for paedophiles either because, unfortunately, we live in a world where there are websites full of explicit abuse imagery for them to access.

Ah. Yes. But this is one is not behind a paywall. And it is on Netflix so has the air of being not porn. And now it has been well publicized, why would they miss an opportunity for watching something with such a high production quality.

It is a bit like using the ‘no one will use my kid’s photo because there is so many others to choose’ isn’t it?

YummyJamDoughnut · 11/09/2020 14:46

@AuntyPasta

I can see why people wouldn’t want their child on film doing this. I don’t think it’s going to follow them around as a poster claimed earlier Hmm or damage their careers in any way. I don’t think it’s going to be wank fodder for paedophiles either because, unfortunately, we live in a world where there are websites full of explicit abuse imagery for them to access. I think it could lead to bullying from their peers but I’d imagine doing any dance routine on film could lead to bullying from their peers because kids are arseholes.
Yes, but this is legal. No chance of being arrested for watching a film on Netflix. No risk to them.
cosmicdoughnut · 11/09/2020 14:47

I read that it was supposedly a not very subtle critique of decadent Western culture but I found the portrayal of the culture the girl came from just as depressingly misogynist as the one she was drawn to. The film is pretty depressing in general as it seems to be full of extreme portrayals of people.

Winesalot · 11/09/2020 14:47

No risk to them.

In fact, they can even say they wanted to see what it was all about and profess to be outraged themselves.

Someone9 · 11/09/2020 14:50

Jesus Christ. I felt incredibly uncomfortable watching that. It doesn't matter if the film seeks to criticize the sexualisation of young girls, by showing scenes like that all it does is add to paedophilia. Imagine all the creeps loving that scene Angry but sure it's "art" so it doesn't count??! Sick fucks allowing that to be aired. I assume these girls acting are also minors?? Now being used as wank fodder to make a point? Vile, just vile.

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