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Hotel threatening to sue us for bad review

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Itsalongwayto · 08/09/2020 19:44

Unashamedly posting in AIBU for traffic. We stayed in a truly dreadful place over the August BH weekend. I wrote to the owner afterwards expressing our displeasure and with a long list of complaints including unsecure blind pulls, a trampoline with no safety net, water features with no warning, general filth and 1980s decor (I expect more at £300/night). Additionally one of the curtain poles fell down on my head. He wrote back ignoring most of my points but stating that he was disappointed that I hadn’t said thank you to them for fixing the curtain pole so quickly Shock. I submitted a review on reevoo and Tripadvisor, neither of which have been published yet......but he has emailed threatening to sue us if we don’t take our review down (I’m assuming he has been sent a preview). We have photographs of everything except the awful smell.
I’m assuming it’s safe to just ignore and block? I’m not taking my review down.

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ChelseaCat · 16/09/2020 18:51

You can tell about someone from how they react to feedback. It ain’t looking good Mr M

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2020 19:02

Six pages for a pre action letter asking you to remove a few comments he claims are dematory? Sounds like his solicitor is ripping him off. To be fair, some of those points are things that may be asked as part of a settlement but frankly looking at the photos you have he's going to be hard put to prove defamation unless there's something enormous you've missed out OP?

Itsalongwayto · 16/09/2020 19:04

@listsandbudgets nothing left out

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itsgettingweird · 16/09/2020 19:07

[quote ndevs]I'll just leave this here

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/owner-foxhunters-inn-pub-devastated-4317280.amp[/quote]
Wow.

Defensive much?!

Thiswillbeinteresting · 16/09/2020 19:10

lurking but supporting you @Itsalongwayto (supported on TA as well Grin

EggyPegg · 16/09/2020 19:24

Oooh. @Itsalongwayto I found it on TA. And your review. And you're local to me, so hi!

I was very entertained by the owners incredibly long response to the most recent 'terrible' review. I've submitted uni assignments with a shorter word count.

Lemonyfuckit · 16/09/2020 19:34

I found it on TA, it looks absolutely grim. And his responses to any negative reviews are hilariously batshit. Mind boggling.

Staffy1 · 16/09/2020 19:41

[quote Itsalongwayto]@AllWashedOut. I wrote a lengthy private email. His response was dismissive. He implied normally he would offer A free return visit, but that there wouldn’t be any point. He said he was upset that I hadn’t thanked them for fixing the curtain pole that fell on my head Shock. He didn’t ask if I was ok. Even if he had written ‘I’m really sorry you didn’t enjoy your time with us, others do’ would have been good. A partial refund would have been better. But I’m not bowing to threats, by a man that has called previous guests ‘nasty’ in his responses.[/quote]
Yeah, sure he normally offers a free return visit. If he claims there is no point with you because you complained then why is there a point for other people who complain? He sounds full of it. Just make sure your review is totally factual, (e.g. not saying the river is right under the trampoline), and he won't have grounds to sue,

netsybetsy · 16/09/2020 19:43

This joker needs a visit from Alex Polizzi Grin

Coffee4Queen · 16/09/2020 19:47

How did he know you posted here... I think janies told him

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2020 20:15

@Itsalongwayto Did think you'd left anything out but in the unlikely event you had, it might explain his massive reaction

MiddleClassProblem · 16/09/2020 20:18

Even if she did, I’m not sure how it matters. If the OP wanted to hide it they would have asked for it to be removed.

It’s all well and dandy if Janiesmutt had a lovely time there and has on multiple occasions, the op didn’t and was threatened in advance if publishing a review. It’s very hypocritical that he claims blackmail when that’s his tactic with anyone who has an issue at the hotel. If he hadn’t threatened to sue, OP probably wouldn’t have made a thread and even if they did, it would not have gotten as much attention as this. Doubt he will learn anything from this though.

tectonicplates · 16/09/2020 20:26

If he hadn’t threatened to sue, OP probably wouldn’t have made a thread

This, Mr Hotel Owner, is what you need to know. Ever heard of the Barbra Streisand Effect? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

SquirtleSquad · 16/09/2020 20:27

That letter is absolutely hilarious Grin I would send him a cease and desist for his harassment threatening behaviour.

SquirtleSquad · 16/09/2020 20:32

Also mumsnet never forget this shit. I still remember RicardosPizza stealing money for the sensory room for those little children.

Binglebong · 16/09/2020 20:34

Please please please go to a national paper. They would love that letter!

cheesecrackersandchips · 16/09/2020 20:35

[quote tectonicplates]If he hadn’t threatened to sue, OP probably wouldn’t have made a thread

This, Mr Hotel Owner, is what you need to know. Ever heard of the Barbra Streisand Effect? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect[/quote]
Yes! I was just thinking this. He's made everything so much worse.

He could have dealt with this and nobody would have been any the wiser. Now 100s of people on MN will give the place a bloody wide berth because of it!

ColleagueFromMars · 16/09/2020 20:36

I'm so confused because I have found a hotel in North devon with an indoor pool and some similar bad reviews but I can't see the reviews this thread mentions! Maybe Mr M owns more than one grubby hotel in North Devon??

Does this one also have an outdoor as well as an indoor pool?

CurlyhairedAssassin · 16/09/2020 20:40

To be fair, OP, some of the things I saw in the photos on the hotel website looked bad enough. In one, you can clearly see damp on the walls with the paint peeling off. You can see mould in the bath sealant. The radiator in one picture looks dirty. Many of the beds look like they have terrible mattresses - you can see the sagging through the duvets. In one of the photos of the cottages, the pots with conifers in outside the door look scruffy and there are weeds and grass where the building walls meet the path outside. It just seems unkempt really. Or as if the management just don't understand what attention to detail means. Even the creases in the bed linen tells you that it isn't a high end place. But I think I'd rather have a travelodge or premier Inn over that, then you know you're getting a clean & comfortable room, at least.

I'm guessing they have major cash flow problems. Running a place like that costs a hell of a lot of money, and if it was as tired as they claim when they took it on then perhaps they weren't in a position to invest in the refurbishment properly. Possibly the attitude problem has arisen as a result of the stress of knowing that they are out of their depth.

I had a terrible experience at a hotel on Mother's Day last year. My mum had been very ill so it was supposed to be a nice treat. When I complained, I got an email to ask if I was happy for the manager to call me, which I was. He apologised, said what had gone wrong shouldn't have gone wrong, said it wasn't their usual standard and they would welcome the chance to have us back free of charge to demonstrate their usual standard of service and food. I umm'd and aah'd for a minute to consider it as it had been a special function for Mother's Day so it wouldn't have been the same thing. He noticed my reticence and then said "Look, I am happy to refund you for the Mother's Day event too. We would just hate for you to go away with a bad impression of us. So do come for a free lunch as well so we can show you how we normally do things. Of course, this is on the understanding that you remove the poor review, as we do feel that it was a one off and doesn't reflect on our usual standard or give a true picture."

I was speaking on behalf of a group of us so felt a bit put on the spot. I agreed to remove the review, and have always regretted it. It was a fair reflection of what we'd experienced, so even though we were happy with the refund we should have let the review stand, with the edit about how they had resolved my complaint. On reflection, we all decided we didn't like the way they had kind of blackmailed us into removing the poor review so we decided against going back even for the free lunch. It's not my idea of transparent and honest customer service.

Good luck, OP. You're in the right.

LolaSmiles · 16/09/2020 20:59

MiddleClassProblem
You're right.

Everyone accepts some places fall short of expectations or something goes wrong, or there's a need to complain sometimes. What makes the biggest difference in any business is how the owner responds.

I had two issues with two different businesses in the same area, both first purchases. One said sorry, rectified the mistake and sent a goodwill gesture, not much but it was the thought that counted. The other ignored me, was arsey and then when I cited my consumer rights and Trading Standards decided to play the victim and claim I was threatening them.

The first company has a loyal customer, I have nothing but praise for them and I always suggest them when people ask for recommendations. The second company I always warn people away from.

Stigsmother · 16/09/2020 21:03

Just been scrolling through Mr M's reviews for a bit of light entertainment......have a look at the reply to Richard T in May 2016, a beautiful example of the (pompous) kettle calling the pot blackGrin

Stigsmother · 16/09/2020 21:05

It was a two star review, God knows what he would have said if it was a one star....

FerreroRocherAreAmazing · 16/09/2020 21:11

Also i have looked online using his name and this lovely news article about him is online.

www.ftadviser.com/2014/04/03/ifa-industry/milton-loses-legal-battle-against-brother-M4rX3ekDbGWNdYA1JvvdUK/article.html

CurlyhairedAssassin · 16/09/2020 21:18

Oh I am chortling to myself. They have separate reviews on TA for their restaurant. The 1 star reviews are particularly funny, referring to him being a very creepy man. Someone further up said he sounds like a narc, and yes, that's how he comes across to me too.

I wish we could all book to stay there at once. We could have some fun there - I once went to a charity night evening meal function where it was pretend Fawlty Towers, with actors playing Basil and Manuel etc coming round & entertaining us. (The real food and service was actually great.) Imagine if we all went to OP's hotel & did the other way round, us all playing roles. Grin

CurlyhairedAssassin · 16/09/2020 21:20

Oooh, Ferrero.....I think that says all you need to know about the character of the man.