Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want to just put the whole "having a child" idea to bed because I'm so stressed now?

76 replies

obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 15:52

Deep breath. Sorry, I only ever seem to post here when there's some massive knot to unpick and no real answer.

Backstory: I (a woman) have been married to my wife for over ten years. I never wanted children growing up. I am a very butch lesbian to the extent that I'm uncomfortable with many of the feminine features of my body and have always had a horror of pregnancy. However, in 2015 wife became extremely broody. I wanted her to be happy more than I wanted to remain childfree, so I agreed that we could try inseminating her using donor sperm. We did, three times, at home. She did not get pregnant. She then changed jobs from a truly terrible situation and afterwards informed me that she thinks she only really wanted a baby to escape her terrible job, i.e. for the maternity leave. I said fine.

Fast forward to late 2019 and suddenly I became overwhelmed with broodiness, which I had never expected to happen to me! At first I thought I could just donate eggs and that would solve it for me. I mentioned it to wife and she said straightforwardly that she's spent five years putting the idea of having children behind her and she didn't want any. I accepted this at first, but then started to feel strongly that I really wanted my own baby, so much so that I was willing to be pregnant even though the idea still makes me feel very uncomfortable. This made me think I must genuinely really want it.

So, I cried about it, she said okay, we went to a fertility clinic and agreed that I would donate eggs and in return get a free IVF cycle -- so I would have some eggs for me, and some for another woman as a donation. Wife and I had a counselling session wherein we both agreed this was fine (I have no concerns about donating eggs).

Then coronavirus struck and everything got put on hold. During this period, wife first said actually she still really doesn't want a baby, then said she doesn't want ME to carry a baby because that's not in line with how she's thought of our relationship, she'll feel alienated, she'll feel as if it's nothing to do with her etc. I said fine I'll just donate eggs then, but we had a big fight about it and I was very upset. In the end I said I felt it was worse for me to make her have a baby (she'd legally be its parent) than it was for her to not let me have one.

We agree on this for a short time. I was very upset but thought I'd get used to it. Then she suddenly said if she could carry the baby (my egg) we could do it. Historically this has never been possible for us because her BMI is too high but she has lost a lot of weight in lockdown. She would now only need to lose another stone to receive the egg and she says she can do it. I've agreed that we can wait for her to do this and then go ahead.

The thing is, it's gone back and forth so many times that I now just feel really stressed about it, and also she's now seemingly stopped losing weight. I keep thinking about the things she said when she told me she didn't want a baby, unequivocally: about not wanting me to have the baby, and about feeling she'd be a bad mother. She has a terrible relationship with her own mother and actually I could see her being terrible. And I can't help thinking maybe I'm just hormonally broody and the desire will pass (my best friend is also in the process of getting IVF and maybe I'm influenced by that).

I just don't know what to do. I am so stressed out with thinking about it, and cross with her for insisting she be the one to carry it which means I have to wait for her to lose an arbitrary 14lbs she might never lose. Furthermore, my parents are extremely homophobic and would undoubtedly be really awful about it if we had a child, and it makes me really sad thinking about having to explain to a kid why my sister's children go to granny and grandad's house and they can't. I have considered just going to the fertility clinic (who, by the way, keep ringing me, because clearly they need donor eggs) and saying I'll just do the donation after all, but now having had the option of a baby dangled in front of me, going through all that just to donate seems really depressing!

I just do not know what to do. If we'd gone ahead in the first instance without overthinking it, I'd probably be pregnant by now but we've had too much time to think about it, I am now not allowed to just take this easiest of all options, and I want to just chuck it all in so we can stop arguing about it.

OP posts:
ZoeTurtle · 08/09/2020 15:55

There's not really a tactful way to say this but neither of you sound remotely mature enough to have a baby. All this changing of minds is exhausting to READ, let alone to actually live. Imagine behind a child thrown into that!

Maybe make a rule; you both declare that you truly want a child and if you don't change your minds (either of you) within 18 months maybe look into it again. Maybe...

gonewiththerain · 08/09/2020 15:59

I’m straight but wasnt particularly bothered about children. The overwhelming urge to have a child hit me like a freight train and completely took over my life at one point. It’s a life changing experience being pregnant and giving birth (however they exit). I’ve got two children now
Would you want a child each?

gonewiththerain · 08/09/2020 16:02

Didn’t finish typing there
Would your parents attitude change when the baby was there?
How’s your relationship?
Is a child more important to you than the relationship?
My second wasn’t planned, if I’d had to think about the logistics of when/how to get pregnant the stress and just hugeness of it would have probably stopped me

obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 16:03

@ZoeTurtle I haven't changed my mind. I want a baby and have been sure about it since at least last year, and ambivalent about it (i.e. would be happy to) since 2015. However, SHE has changed her mind so much that I feel she isn't mature enough to have one, hence it would make more sense for us not to.

@gonewiththerain We would only have one. I don't want to be pregnant, however I am willing to be if it is the only option. However, she has said that she's always wanted to be pregnant so she'd be jealous if I was the one who was, essentially, even though I'm sure I'd hate every moment of it and it would be purely a means to an end.

OP posts:
obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 16:04

Forgot to say I am 33 and the cut-off for donating eggs is 35, which unfortunately makes it slightly urgent.

OP posts:
joystir59 · 08/09/2020 16:07

Leave the relationship and have a baby on your own?

joystir59 · 08/09/2020 16:07

Your partner sounds selfish and immature.

obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 16:08

@joystir59 I don't want to have a baby more than I want the relationship, I don't think, or at least I'm not sure enough. Also, at final count, she says let's go ahead (when she's lost the stone...) so it would be weird of me to say "actually I'm leaving you because you won't have children with me" when that's not where we're at now.

OP posts:
obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 16:09

@joystir59

Your partner sounds selfish and immature.
But yes, I've been feeling like this too. It makes me think she's right that she'd be a terrible parent.
OP posts:
joystir59 · 08/09/2020 16:10

Agree to forget about having kids. It isn't the end of the world.

CandlesBlanketsandTea · 08/09/2020 16:10

Can you get some counselling about this as a couple? There is a lot to unpack and I think it would help you both get clear on what you do want and how you are going to go about it.

joystir59 · 08/09/2020 16:11

You don't seem sure about either the relationship or having children.

joystir59 · 08/09/2020 16:13

Or if your partner won't agree to counselling perhaps you go and get some on your own to help your work out where you are and what your next steps should be

Rigamorph · 08/09/2020 16:19

Wow....my head is in a spin just reading about it!
It sounds as if the rest of your relationship was good before the baby issue?
I would recommend more couples counselling. Better now than to have more changes of heart later on (when you are both older and fertility is reduced, when one of you is pregnant, or when you actually have a child).
I disagree that the homophobia of your parents should be a factor in the decision tho - it's very sad that they are like that and will be a difficult thing to explain to a young child, but it is not a reason for you to change the life you want to have. Lots of children grow up without grandparents, for many reasons.

Rigamorph · 08/09/2020 16:21

Oh and I am not voting because I don't think it's a matter of being reasonable or not, I think your question is much too complicated for a yes/no answer Smile

Purpleshoes13 · 08/09/2020 16:22

I agree with PP could you go to counselling to discuss it all openly?

Aquamarine1029 · 08/09/2020 16:23

I would not be bringing a child into this calamity of a relationship. It would be a disaster. If you really want a baby, you should go it alone.

gonewiththerain · 08/09/2020 16:24

It’s a tricky situation and not one most women have to navigate. Would some specialist counselling help unpick both your feelings? And have you got time in terms of your ages to take longer to decide.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/09/2020 16:27

You really can’t be considering having a child with someone you suspect or know would be a terrible parent. All the other angst and faffing aside, that’s just shocking and awful.

Have you given any thought to the child this baby will eventually turn into?

Additionally, as I’m sure you know if friends or family have been pregnant, even if you desperately want a baby and have an uncomplicated pregnancy it’s fucking hard work, takes an awful lot out of you, will potentially compromise your career and earning power, can change your body forever and can kill you. I wouldn’t consider doing it if the thought is already causing you mental or emotional anguish. I’m straight, quite feminine and desperately wanted to be pregnant and the way it infantilises you in society is a lot to take in as well. I had a pharmacist refuse to sell me thrush treatment as I thought I might be pregnant and she called me a bad girl and very irresponsible. I was mid 30s on lunch break from my professional job with my husband who’s in his 40s. From your first midwife appointment they refer to you as mum and talk about birth plans and breastfeeding. I loved being pregnant despite the aches and pains, super sensitive sense of smell, crippling heartburn and excess body hair (Shock) and felt very feminine and sort of spiritual about creating and carrying a new life, I got quite hippy, and obviously not everyone experiences that, but I’d give it some (more) serious thought as your mental health matters too.

RedPanda17 · 08/09/2020 16:27

Is adopting an option? Could you explore this in counselling?

Merryoldgoat · 08/09/2020 16:29

Kids are hard enough when you’re both ready, have family support, have a great drama-free relationship and have zero money issues.

Having them in a tempestuous relationship with someone immature and a hateful family would be foolhardy.

Mmn654123 · 08/09/2020 16:30

Freeze your eggs. Decide later.

This may or may not be a relationship that results in children. You may or may not stay together. Freeze your eggs and you keep your options open.

There are costs but egg sharing maybe covers that. It’s not awful though you do start to feel like a pin cushion after a while!

VesperLynne · 08/09/2020 16:30

I have a agree with ZoeTurtle, neither of you seem remotely mature enough.

Aquamarine1029 · 08/09/2020 16:30

Is adopting an option?

Given the state of the relationship, it shouldn't be. No child should be dragged into this mess. End of.

obstinatrix · 08/09/2020 16:32

@Aquamarine1029

I would not be bringing a child into this calamity of a relationship. It would be a disaster. If you really want a baby, you should go it alone.
I don't think the relationship itself is a calamity at all. The problem is, most women don't have to think about this in any depth, as others have said. If I have to spend a lot of time thinking about whether my partner would be a good mother, of course I will have doubts, whereas plenty of women have children with men who turn out to be truly dreadful fathers without a second thought -- and men who turn out to be good fathers and men who turn out to be mediocre fathers, but it's not really something everyone thinks about before they get pregnant. It's so much harder when you have to overthink everything!
OP posts: