To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

Whoever this Suzie is, she can always make her account private and stop trying to make money out of her children .

@Bekindnotabully

Sorry but I'm all up for constructive criticism, but lots of it on here and tattle has been nothing of the sort. Saying that Susie looks demonic or that they feel sorry for her son is not constructive at all.

This is a real person, how would you feel if your daughter / wife / friend / mother was being ripped to shreds over everything about her. It's ghastly.

I’d tell her to build some resilience, and if she was my daughter I’d feel I’d failed her if she couldn’t handle words on a screen from a stranger.

I’ve no idea who this lady is, and you can call me cynical if you like, but I bet this thread has done great things for the footfall on her insta 🤔

It’s a shame when people resort to insults about appearance etc. It takes away from the real conversations we should be having about the ethics of these “influencers” - undisclosed ad’s, praying on vulnerable women and exploiting children being some of those.

Influencing isn't an important job. These people aren't actually contributing anything to society and are quite possibly exploiting their children to make money.

I agree.

Words on a screen from a stranger can really be very damaging, I hate all the ‘build resilience’ nonsense which is just mocking people who get upset by it and victim blaming.

There should be conversations had about influencers, the deceit, the preying on vulnerable people and the shallow world of Instagram culture without tearing apart the appearance of a child. This shouldn’t be a get out clause for the nasty creatures who do that.

@Butchyrestingface

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep.

Are you Susie, OP? Or her mum?

I've never heard of her , BTW. Does that count as hate speech?

Who the fuck is Susie?

Op I don’t have time to read the whole thread but the majority of the posts on the threads about Styled by Susie are about her poor customer service. Any nasty comments have been deleted.

On the subject of naming her child she has publicly mentioned them in the Daily Mail. I have seen the threads you’re talking about and they give far less detail than she herself gives her child to a much wider audience.

Incidentally will Susie be campaigning to ban The Daily Mail, which is also full of hateful comments, or will she continue to be paid by them to write articles on style.

Who the fuck is Susie?

According to her website:

"Susie is an Autumn Pear, Edgy".

Get. A.grip.

Hate Speech is things like inciting terrorism, stirring up racist attacks so mosques get torched & encouraging others to beat up gay people or worse.

To equate common or garden criticism of somebody who makes a fuckton of money from hawking handbags, table lamps or hairdye (or whatever the fuck it is that the person you're such a fan of flogs - hint - she doesn't give a shit about you, you're not her special friend, allowed into her life, you're just part of the target market) - well, it's insulting to the people who actually have to endure being the target of true Hate Speech.

A minted, young, attractive, white female Instagrammer is not a fucking Minority group in need of protection.

OP are you still going on.

Are you Susie, her sister or her friend?!

What has been said on here and tattle has been greatly exaggerated, by Susie and those who repeat what she says without question.

Many, many people have stated how she has bullied them and the appalling way she has treated her customers. Blocking anyone who had concerns or said anything that in anyway disagreed with the stylists.

She writes for the daily mail and the comments on there about her are often horrific, I have never heard her complain about that though.

A minted, young, attractive, white female Instagrammer is not a fucking Minority group in need of protection.

She could have protected characteristics, it's just that being a mother or an instagrammer aren't.

bekind

All this troll chat is a huge exaggeration and fabrication.

Prove it. Where are these terrible comments. Show us the screen shots? What’s your evidence?

SBS names her son in the daily fail 10/19. And then cries that her privacy has been violated because people know her sons name. I mean the delusion is crazy.

But also “Susie is an autumn pear. Edgey”. I die

I am an autumn apple. Sporty.

I love that. Too good!

@LonginesPrime

A minted, young, attractive, white female Instagrammer is not a fucking Minority group in need of protection.

She could have protected characteristics, it's just that being a mother or an instagrammer aren't.

Could do. Not sure what category people who could be described as 'Instamama #gifted a Dyson stick' comes in to the following, though.

A hate crime is defined as 'Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.'

Source

I have never heard of styled by suzie, but I am having to physically restrain myself from googling and clicking on her Instagram 😣😣
I am an autumn apple. Sporty
Do me, do me!!!

@annabel85 Sister of Alice, who had the same question asked about her.

Susie is a personal stylist, runs Styled By Susie and had a Facebook group of 14k members. A week ago she announced she was closing down the free Facebook group and moving to a paid subscription service of £6 a month. She got a lot of outcry over that as it was a sudden announcement and a sort of "pay up or you're being booted off" message. I think a lot of people were upset about the handling of it rather than the actual move. She then released a statement saying that she had been forced to make this decision because of trolling, MN was one of the sites mentioned. I took a look myself at the thread on the Style and Beauty pages and there looks to be zero evidence of trolling so it looks to have backfired massively for her.

yabu.

These people have turned their lives and, more often than not, their children’s lives into a business that preys on people. They pay for nothing and accept all the freebies.

Look at how many of these women (and I’m saying women because you specifically refer to
Them in your op) will ask for “recommendations” on their page or their stories when what they’re really saying is “please send me free shit”

If you open your life to the public and make a living off it then expect to be discussed and criticised

I have contributed to all the Styled by Susie threads and have seen none of the comments that have been discussed by the OP.
We are just a group of dissatisfied customers.
SBS charge for a pre-prepared document they claim is bespoke. It’s not.
We are NOT criticising a person. We are unhappy with a service we have paid for. It is not a hate crime to review a company. If Susie isn’t able to separate that then surely that is the problem.

Susie lied and told her 14k FB group and 31k instagram followers that MN and Tattle outed her son’s full name and used that, along with other lies, for the reason they were closing her stylist FB group and moving to a paid platform.

Turns out Susie herself had outed her son’s full name and age in a Daily Mail article late last year. Not the only DM article she’s been involved in anyway.

The Daily Mail. Take a look at the comments on there. Makes Tattle look like a kids book.

OP. AIBU is one of the most busy (the busiest?) forums on mumsnet. Most of the people on here don’t know who susie is.

By posting here all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire, attracting more people to the threads on the style and beauty board which provide lots of unbiased views on the poor services that SOME women have received from susie’s business.

So who are you? Are you actually a friend of hers?

A friend of susie wouldn’t think starting this thread is a good/nice (kind?) idea. It’s only going to exacerbate the current issues for susie. This really isn’t a situation where any publicity is good publicity.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Good luck OP, but given that the government can't be arsed to make misogyny a hate crime I think you're on a hiding to nothing with trying to protect a subset of women.

This.

@Bekindnotabully I think you need to have a little dig around the 'net to find out what hate speech and trolling really is.

I've followed the threads in real time and nobody said she's a terrible mum. If someone said she has a demonic smile then of course it's not kind or pleasant, it may be offensive but it doesn't incite violence or criminality does it? Not a crime. The bulk of the comments are from unsatisfied customers who feel they've been sold something crap, ignored or shut down, or just think the business is rubbish. You can't stop someone having an opinion and as a business owner the onus is on her to leave her customers feeling good and looked after to help ensure the online chatter about her services is positive.

I don't get this. I think Philip Schofield is a shit presenter & TM a pile of crap. Is that trolling?

Get real.....it’s only what celebrities have gone through for years. I’m not saying it’s right, but the same would have to extend to celebrities and anyone in the public eye....these women seem to want all of the trappings which come with fame and an easy job but not the shittier ends of the stick. They think they’re some kind of protected species?!?

Being a c*nt to someone isn’t nice, I’ve not seen the stuff you’ve mentioned but can well imagine, it’s not illegal though is it and I think the over stretched and underfunded police in this country have got far better things to be doing with their time, and that your post is pretty insulting to them to be honest.

These women have got a choice to go and get a different/proper job and fade into blissful anonymity, no one is making them do this!