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To ask who your favourite Beatle is/was?

276 replies

TwiggyTwogs · 04/09/2020 16:02

I'm just asking as DH was watching A Hard Days Night. I'll always love Johns smile Blush

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deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 16:28

What’s entertaining about that, @contrmary?
I thought it was bad form to make fun of people with mental health problems - especially if they were, you know, violently murdered.

NursieBernard · 05/09/2020 16:32

George, I love While my guitar gently weeps.

CherryValanc · 05/09/2020 16:46

@Disfordarkchocolate

This is all getting a bit strange.
"Yes It Is", "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" but "I've Got a Feeling" if you "Stick around and it may show. But I don't know, I don't know" if it's too far down the "Long and Winding Road" to "Get it Back". "Now I long for yesterday". We better "Let it Be".

(apologies - best I could do Grin Blush

TwiggyTwogs · 05/09/2020 16:54

@CherryValanc Haha 😂

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McGriffo · 05/09/2020 19:13

@looseddaughter I wouldn't say John was "uneducated" exactly. He was a voracious reader from a very young age and went on to attend grammar school.

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 05/09/2020 19:29

How is this even a discussion? John every day of the week!

In order of best to worst:
John
George
Paul
Ringo

looseddaughter · 05/09/2020 20:14

[quote McGriffo]@looseddaughter I wouldn't say John was "uneducated" exactly. He was a voracious reader from a very young age and went on to attend grammar school.[/quote]
Oh I know, but from what I recall when I used to read about them all he got pretty disengaged from school as it went on and probably didn't engage in all that that school had to offer.

looseddaughter · 05/09/2020 20:16

I meant to also say that I find all the anti Ono stuff smacks of misogyny and racism (not accusing people on the thread, but thinking about stuff at I have read and attitudes at the time.)No doubt the pair of them treated Cynthia appallingly though.

deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 20:23

John was lazy, but he was brilliant. He was also tortured.

His biggest mistake was getting off ‘the boat called Paul’. But he had abandonment issues and he needed to be the one to leave first when Paul met Linda, so he got on ‘the boat called Yoko’ and threw away his life in the process.

He knew it and was haunted by it until his dying day.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 05/09/2020 20:26

@looseddaughter agree about the anti Yoko Ono. Leaving aside the way their relationship started, Yoko didn't fit the ideal 1960s wife model - she was very career driven and passionate about her work, John became a house husband after she had Sean while she went out to work which was unusual.

deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 20:27

@looseddaughter,

LOL - that’s what Ono wants you to think. It protects her from too much scrutiny.

No matter what her gender or ethnicity, she has done some wicked, wicked things. She is monstrous.

deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 20:33

@Waxonwaxoff0,

John did not become a house husband. He spent the last five years of his life in a depressed drug haze.

Ono ruined him. She controlled every aspect of his life - he even named her lover Sean’s guardian in his will. She had two lovers by the way - Sam Green and Sam Havadtoy. One double crossed the other and she moved him in a few hours after John was killed.

Don’t you know any of this stuff? You should read up on it.

CathyorClaire · 05/09/2020 20:33

Shallow but George just for the looks.

AreYouSiriusLupin · 05/09/2020 20:42

John without a doubt. It used to be George when I was younger though, before I got into their music more.

I must say that my appreciation of Paul has massively grown as I have got older though. To me, John and Paul were pure magic together.

looseddaughter · 05/09/2020 21:05

[quote deepbluesea18]@Waxonwaxoff0,

John did not become a house husband. He spent the last five years of his life in a depressed drug haze.

Ono ruined him. She controlled every aspect of his life - he even named her lover Sean’s guardian in his will. She had two lovers by the way - Sam Green and Sam Havadtoy. One double crossed the other and she moved him in a few hours after John was killed.

Don’t you know any of this stuff? You should read up on it.[/quote]
I think I have read this stuff - isn't what you're saying straight out of that Albert Goldman (I think that was the name) book? I read it years ago and felt a bit devastated to be honest as it seemed like a bit of a hatchet job. However, I took heart from the fact it said '"Rubbish!"' Cilla Black' on the back! He did similar biographies on a couple of other people including Elvis didn't he? Certainly not saying there's no truth in what he says and doubtless these people were troubled/damaged, but I remember thinking it was so unrelentingly negative - no one could be that bad! One thing stuck out to me - he claimed that Ono had a very distant relationship with Sean but it seems they are pretty close now - though I don't 'follow' them really so that may be wrong. John certainly didn't seem drug-addled in the last interviews he gave when promoting his final album.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 05/09/2020 21:21

Ringo - the perfect drummer

deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 21:43

It’s widely acknowledged now that Goldman’s book was accurate. It wasn’t pleasant - his writing style was ... sleezy - but he spoke to more than 2000 people, and they couldn’t all have been lying, despite what Cilla might have said. She hadn’t seen John since 1968 anyway.

But no, I’m not just talking about Goldman. John’s assistant, Fred Seaman, his lover, May Pang, his diaries, Julian - everyone tells the same story. Then there’s the photos of John looking like a Holocaust victim, his will, which can be viewed online. There’s the fact that Sam Green admitted he was having an affair with Yoko, his involvement in another case involving a rich widow with whom he was also having an affair. She was murdered by her son - a vulnerable, isolated man, much like John - and what do you know, Green was also named in that will.

Then there’s Havadtoy, who Yoko may or may not have married, her involvement in the occult, and her association with other shady characters in her weirdo druggy art circle, who identified as ‘satantists’. It goes on: there’s the fact that John was obsessed with being shot, that he told his record producer on the night he was killed that he probably wouldn’t be seeing him again.

Finally, there’s Chapman, a penniless security guard, who just happened to be married to a Japanese woman, who was obsessed with black magic and the occult. Bizarrely, he had gone on a round the world trip in a westerly direction two years before John was shot - the same direction John was sent on by Yoko round about the same time. Most incredibly, Chapman raised the money to pay for his trip to New York (to shoot John) by selling a painting - a Norman Rockwell no less.

Shall I go on?

Wotsitsarecheesy · 05/09/2020 22:31

But what about him wanting to change the order of Lennon/McCartney on some of the songs? Yuck.

I remember seeing an interview about this with Paul. He said that it was a load of rubbish. He explained that a magazine was doing an article about the partnership and their best songs, and had illustrated it with a photo of each of them. Only they had put Paul's photo with the section about one of John's big hits (Strawberry Fields I think), and John's photo by one of Paul's songs (Yesterday? I can't remember exactly). Because those two songs were so famously linked to the other one in the partership, Paul asked for them to be swapped over and this was taken the wrong way. Whether that's actually what happened I have no idea, but I do remember that's what he said in the interview I saw.

Wrenna · 05/09/2020 22:37

Paul, Ringo, George then John. Also read Cynthias book and that clinched it but knew about his abuse of women since the 80’s “I beat her and kept her from the things she loved” Er, no thanks.

looseddaughter · 05/09/2020 22:43

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2588347.stm

This indicates he did have the writing credits reversed and that he justified it. I remember Ringo saying something against it like along the lines that "John was The Beatles for me" at the time.

Davros · 05/09/2020 22:56

Paul

Waxonwaxoff0 · 05/09/2020 23:02

@deepbluesea18 I've read some of that stuff but to me it always sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense. I certainly believe that John was depressed and on drugs but all this crap about Yoko being a "witch", nah.

FannyFernackerpan · 05/09/2020 23:07

George

deepbluesea18 · 05/09/2020 23:46

@Waxonwaxoff0,

That’s a very naive way of looking at things.

These were people with unlimited amounts of money at their disposal - arrogant, gullible, drug-addled and bored. No one actually believed that Yoko was a witch - except John and possibly Yoko. But they were both deeply immersed in the occult, and Yoko was playing the two Sams off against each other.

Sam Green - the ‘art dealer’ - was obviously a hustler who targeted gullible rich women. I shudder to think what he was doing in John’s will.

Anyway, this is all on record, so it’s definitely not a conspiracy theory, though the cover up of it might be.

Here’s what I think: John’s death was planned and he knew and went along with it.

wowfudge · 05/09/2020 23:54

I read an interview with Julian Lennon where he said how Paul had been a father figure to him when his own father wasn't interested in engaging with him.

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