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To think I may be being unfairly made redundant...

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Burtiebojangles · 04/09/2020 02:49

I've posted on here before about more of my life in a shitshow, I'm not even sure I'd believe that this much crap can happen to one person - but it has, so please don't judge me, you all really helped last time. Anyway, I know there's a board for this, but I guess I'm looking for a nudge to stand up for myself rather than employment advice. Bear with me, it may be a long one.

I've been in my current job for 6 years, most of which I've been the only person doing my job. Everything was fine, then I got pregnant and I started to feel a bit pushed aside. I was told that my maternity cover would be brought in on a permanent basis as the workload was too much for one person. (It was never an issue before this point).

The day I returned to work, I was pulled into a meeting alongside my cover and told we're moving departments, got a new manager and our jobs will probably change. I only took 6 months so I was under the impression my job couldn't change. I signed a form before I left to be informed of any job vacancies within the company, I received nothing about the management role becoming available. It wouldn't have been out of reach for me, but I heard nothing until this meeting being told who my new manger was (external appointment). Also, the director and my old manager kept behind my cover and told her that this is a really good opportunity for her and they have a great future at the company. A bit strange, I thought, as we're both in the same position - why wouldn't it be said to us both?

Anyway, my job did change. I ended up doing the low-level work I'd not done since I started my career and my cover was still doing the work I had previously. After a drunken vent to my old manager, the situation got resolved, we were back to doing the same role and back under this manager. This is all just a bit of a back story.

We were furloughed in March, redundancies started not long after in which voluntary was offered to all except those who had less than two years' service, who were made redundant off the bat - except my maternity cover. I was never told my role was at risk during this period.

Not long after it was announced we'd taken on another company and redundancies were paused. Within a week, one by one, minimal staff were brought back to work on the brand launch, probably around 10 of us out of a workforce of 100. Yep, mat cover came back before me but tried to think positively that they might have been considering that I'd need to find childcare. I was given an hours notice to return to work and that month I worked around 40 hours unpaid overtime (overtime isn't a regular occurrence within the company) and the launch was a big success. Everyone got a pat on the back, it won't be forgotten etc. but we were placed back on part-time furlough to 'make the most out of the scheme' until our services are back up and running. Told this was to keep us in the loop.

Today, I've received an email to say that due to low work levels, they need to reduce staffing costs and I've been called in to discuss how this will affect me - not really sure how this can be used because we've just doubled the workload by taking on a new company. People have been asked to reduce hours in areas that aren't back up running yet (where as my area is imperative to get the company back to this point) via email so I know this is the start of the redundancy process.

The problem is, my maternity cover received an email to say she is unaffected and will return to work as normal after the furlough scheme has ended. We have the same job title, we share the same work, we have similar degrees and work experience, only I have a little more due to being slightly older, but much more experience within this company. I've never had issues with my quality of work, we don't have appraisals so nothing to go off there, it's not really a results driven role but during my time there I have numbers to my name about how I grew certain areas and increased revenue, my time-keeping is perfect, all my deadlines are met, I've been as flexible as they've needed and there is nothing to really set us apart - other than me having a child.

Not only do I feel completely screwed over after having such a big impact in saving the company with the brand launch, especially after working so much overtime, but I feel the selection process is completely unfair given someone in the same role isn't at risk. I've been singled out and I think it's because I'm a parent, the consultation process is just a face-saving exercise as their decision has clearly already been made. Their previous selection process of those new to the company are first to leave has been completely disregarded but only in my circumstance.

I want to fight it but I also feel so deflated. I've never had any problems at work so I feel completely blindsided. It was only last week I was asked to up my hours and was told there would be a package in place to covering out-of-hours work. My meeting is today but I feel sick to my stomach and can't sleep, so if you're awake, I'd love to hear if you think I should pull up my big girl pants and fight this.

I should mention my mat cover is absolutely lovely! They're backing me all the way, there's nothing sinister on her part at all.

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louloubelx · 04/09/2020 06:16

I also have a feeling that them writing to your mat cover and informing her her job is safe is also not the way to do it....redundancy is meant to be fair and give you a fair chance to discuss. Sounds like they have made their minds up. Is there anyway you can get a copy of the email they sent mat cover?

fatgirlslimmer · 04/09/2020 06:16

I would contact maternityaction.org.uk your maternity doesn’t last forever but sex discriminator does and they are well placed to advise on this.

Fatted · 04/09/2020 06:17

You are allowed to take any representative in with you. It doesn't have to be from a union. Personally I'd take your mat leave cover colleague and watch that shit show unfold. Please do not be so naive to assume she is on your side/your friend. In these kinds of situations, no one is on your side. I wouldn't be surprised if she is feeding everything back to the bosses.

If you have no one to take with you, ask if it's OK to record the meeting. If they decline, ask to rearrange while you arrange suitable representation.

groovergirl · 04/09/2020 06:21

I want to fight it but I also feel so deflated.

This is exactly how they want you to feel, Burtie, and how they've been trying to make you feel ever since you returned from leave. But no matter how turbulent you are inside, you are going to take the good advice from PPs, write it in point form in your notebook (a real hardback A4 notebook, not a device), get your questions in order and go in ready to rage against their utter treachery and sleaze. How DARE they do this to you? Channel Atticus Finch, or maybe Greta Thunberg at the UN!

Also, you'll be wearing not just your big girl pants but your big girl stompin' heels. Do you have any chunky high-heel loafers in red? Or something like these, www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/people/julie-bishop-wears-awesome-power-heels-in-resignation-press-conference/news-story/85cabd0ef3a2d4b565c3e9e9a5ba6284 as worn by an Australian cabinet minister when she resigned in disgust from Parliament? Put on your Fuck You shoes and stride into that meeting with energy. Greet them effusively before they can greet you and, with an expansive sweep of your arm, invite them to sit down. Take control of the meeting before your bozo bosses know what has hit them. Be impeccably polite, yet ensure that the meeting follows one agenda -- yours. It is your meeting, Burtie, and your chance to expose them for the sleazy bastards they are. Look them straight in the eye when you ask your questions. Take written notes in your notebook, and fix them with a hard stare if they try to manipulate you with weasel words. The more weasely they get, the more you will calmly ask them to explain themselves.

If this modus seems a bit scary, imagine yourself as a character in a top-rating TV series you're playing the glamorous, hard-nosed lawyer/union official/businesswoman who always gets her way. Audiences love you. The cameras are rolling do your thing! (You're awake in the middle of the night, am I right? Practise your lines now.)

@Marmunia1975 , you are a force of nature! Can you tell us more about your arse-kicking excellence? Sorry, I don't want to hijack the thread. But I think many of us who have been discriminated against because we are mothers would like to hear from someone who has turned the tables in spectacular style.

ilovesooty · 04/09/2020 06:21

@Kisskiss

As pp have written, ask what the selection criteria were, who was considered in the ‘pot’ with you And how each of you were scored. Most employment lawyers will do a free 30 min consult ( yes, even the big name ones) so that’s something worth considering doing, you just have to pick a lawyer and call and ask to discuss your situation. Sorry you are in this spot, it sounds very biased abd you should make them sqiurm before you go
I'm not at all sure you have the right to know how other employees scored.
nosswith · 04/09/2020 06:25

Seek advice, be it from ACAS or a solicitor. It does seem as if your having a young child is a factor.

Burtiebojangles · 04/09/2020 06:26

@groovergirl best advice ever! Thank you! 😁 sadly I don’t have red shoes but I will try and channel the shoe!

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MrsSchadenfreude · 04/09/2020 06:29

Take someone in with you who can take copious notes and type them up for you. The stress means you won’t remember everything and it’s useful to have a record. Take a colleague that you trust. They won’t be able to participate in the meeting, but they can ask for a pause if they see you are getting upset, and can ask for clarification of anything that’s not clear.

AmelieTaylor · 04/09/2020 06:34

Definitely fight them!!

Don't let the bastards do this to you! I wouldn't want to keep working there either, but right now is not the best time to be job hunting, but it's easier to get another job while you have one! Or if you can survive on DH/DP's wages fight for the very best settlement you can get!!

Take someone with you today, even if it's just a family member/friend.

Don't take it lying down!

Good Luck!!!

TellerTuesday4EVA · 04/09/2020 06:39

Would I have any options with a union? I take it I couldn’t join today and have someone in the meeting with me the same day? I’m really annoyed I was invited to this meeting at 4pm yesterday, it’s almost like they don’t want you to be prepared.

You can totally join a union now and recurred their support... you also get free legal cover. The same thing happened to me 6 years ago when the company I worked for underwent a TUPE transfer. Go online and join a union this morning (I went with Unite) then email whoever invited you to the meeting and say you are unavailable to attend the meeting as you want to have your union representative present with you.

TellerTuesday4EVA · 04/09/2020 06:40

Receive their support even!

Burtiebojangles · 04/09/2020 06:41

I am meant to be working next week (must be doing imaginary work), where would I stand with that? Can I have my say about if I want to do it or be put on furlough? If I’m looking at losing my income, I don’t want to be paying for my son to go to nursery.

OP posts:
whatever1980 · 04/09/2020 06:46

Can you get employment legal advice even through any house insurance you have?

TellerTuesday4EVA · 04/09/2020 06:46

Personally I would go to work next week if that been arranged. Keep everything business as usual as would be if the at risk meeting and consultations weren't taking place.

Ginfilledcats · 04/09/2020 06:50

Some excellent advice here.

I agree join a union and email your bosses to say you're unavailable to meet due to your union reps availability. And then make a new meeting date when the union accepts you. That will scare them for one thing!!
But continue to act normal and work as you normally would.

Just for clarity - was your mat cover brought in specifically to cover your mat leave? If so, why is she still there? You have more rights as a perm employee over 2 years than a temp worker.

paintmegood · 04/09/2020 06:53

@TellerTuesday4EVA

Would I have any options with a union? I take it I couldn’t join today and have someone in the meeting with me the same day? I’m really annoyed I was invited to this meeting at 4pm yesterday, it’s almost like they don’t want you to be prepared.

You can totally join a union now and recurred their support... you also get free legal cover. The same thing happened to me 6 years ago when the company I worked for underwent a TUPE transfer. Go online and join a union this morning (I went with Unite) then email whoever invited you to the meeting and say you are unavailable to attend the meeting as you want to have your union representative present with you.

Not necessarily true, most unions will not represent someone who joins with an existing issue and most will not represent for a fixed period of time (this varies but 1-3 months usually).

I've known of people being represented immediately but this is usually at the discretion of the branch themselves and generally in cases where it's likely to affect more than one worker.

A union might be able to offer advice but the best bet is ACAS and finding someone else to attend the meeting.

HelloDulling · 04/09/2020 06:53

Part time furlough, and taking people on and off furlough is allowed. I know that’s not the point of your OP, but a couple of people have raised it.

Burtiebojangles · 04/09/2020 06:55

@Ginfilledcats yeah, to cover my maternity leave but on a permanent contract because of the work load being too much for one person. Their words were ‘at the moment, you’re firefighting, we want to bring someone in to help you move forward’ ... straight through the door apparently.

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user1471538283 · 04/09/2020 06:55

You can join a union at any time and you will need some support in the meeting. If you cannot keep your job you need to fight for the best package possible. These people are not your friends so you have to fight

BBCONEANDTWO · 04/09/2020 06:57

Great advice from everyone - don't let them get away with this although I can understand you feeling deflated - get as much out o them was you can - then go on and find somewhere where they appreciate you.

Please can you keep this thread updated - for support and so we can all gloat when they realise what they've done.

devildeepbluesea · 04/09/2020 06:59

I work for ACAS, although not in the department OP would be speaking to when she contacts us.

  1. Nothing wrong with what the company have done re furlough.
  2. Your maternity protection doesn't cover you for the redundancy situation, it's too long ago. However you should have been informed of any promotion opportunities whilst on mat leave. Unfortunately your window to bring a claim has passed, but still worth mentioning it as bad practice when you speak to ACAS.
  3. Nevertheless ask for the selection criteria for the redundancy pool. On the face of it this sounds potentially unfair, if your cover is now doing the same job.
  4. Join the union join the union join the union!!

Good luck.

bandbsmummy · 04/09/2020 07:04

Try 'pregnant then screwed' as well. They have a helpline you can call.

What absolute dicks. So sorry you're going through this.

GnomeDePlume · 04/09/2020 07:04

Talk to ACAS they have a helpline 0300 123 1100

From what you have described it does sound like you have been discriminated against because you are a female parent. Sadly I have seen and experienced this during my career.

The people with this attitude often dont even realise that they are being discriminatory.

When a man has a child he is assumed to take his career more seriously. He will get the opportunity to advance his career. Promotion opportunities, overtime opportunities, experience opportunities.

When a woman has a child she is assumed to take her career less seriously. She wont be offered opportunities to advance her career. It will be assumed that her focus is on her home life, that she isnt interested in career progression.

All of this is unconscious. The confirmation bias is constant. He takes time off to go to antenatal appointments/immunisations/school events, he gets applauded. It's all evidence that he is taking life seriously. She takes time off to go to antenatal appointments/immunisations/school events, there is a collective eye roll. It's all evidence that she isnt interested in work anymore.

Off the record I have spoken with fellow line managers and they have admitted to having this bias and have been a little bit shocked to realise that these thoughts are discriminatory.

Rollmopsrule · 04/09/2020 07:06

You've had some fantastic advice OP. Good luck today and please report back.

Jessicabrassica · 04/09/2020 07:08

I thought it was roles that were made redundant not individuals. If they have decided that they want to return your role to one post rather than two then you should both be equally affected.
They are totally fucking you over. Be angry. Go fight!

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