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To feel a bit weirded out by this?

78 replies

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 14:50

TL;DR

Therapist backtracked on discussed location for an outdoor session, gave a made-up reason (later admitted it was actually for other, personal reasons) at a point it was too late for me to cancel, then insisted on exploring why this was annoying for me in our session, I.e. ‘does this happen a lot in your relationships?’ ‘It’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it?’ ‘This is a great opportunity to explore how anger feels for you?’ (I had already accepted their explanation and was happy to move on). AIBU to feel weirded out by and uncomfortable about this?!? Is this something that happens a lot or is a known challenge in therapy (I.e. the therapist getting defensive or attributing justified unease about some aspect of their service to the client’s ‘issues’, perhaps even without meaning to)?

Full details to avoid dripfeeding

Ok so I recently started private counselling sessions. Have had about 5 or 6. It’s pretty new for me. Going fine, have been considering last few weeks wrapping things up as it all seems a bit open ended and unfocused, and I’m not sure it’s quite what I’m after.

Because of corona we initially spoke on the phone which was limited then recently met somewhere outside for the first time to have a face to face session. The location suggested by the therapist was very public and relatively busy.

I suggested a quieter public location ahead of the first outdoor meeting and they said they wouldn’t feel comfortable changing the location at short notice as they need to familiarise themselves with it but they’d be happy to consider it for future weeks. Fair enough.

Met in the park they suggested and whilst it was nice to meet in person there were lots of people running, walking, gardening, working, etc. So not really able to be private or confidential. The sessions aren’t cheap and a lot of it was chit chat and waiting for people to pass, etc.

This week I’ve been thinking of wrapping things up anyway but asked if we could go ahead at the quieter alternative location as discussed. At this point they said they don’t know who owns the land (it’s public council owned) so it won’t be possible and we can meet at their suggested location.

I’m not really comfortable meeting round a lot of people and really looking for face to face meetings (or to wait until things have opened up more) but it was now within the 48 hour cancellation period so I felt backing out, although justified given the lack of clear communication, would be awkward and undermine the previous sessions. I didn’t really want to spend £50 on the session but thought it would be better to go ahead and cut my losses to avoid leaving things on an awkward note.

The topic of this miscommunication came up when we met and they explained that it was actually for very personal reasons they didn’t want to meet in this other place as they might feel ‘triggered’ (not because of the reason given in the text). Fair enough, I just wish this had been communicated transparently so I could cancel the session. I explained that I would have cancelled the session if it had been clear in advance although I did understand their personal discomfort around this other location and thanks for the explanation, etc.

We went and sat down and I felt there wasn’t really anything I wanted to talk about (I’d mostly gone along just to round things off and there was also a guy chopping bits off trees a metre or so behind us) and said I was actually happy to end the session early. I felt I’d done my bit by paying the fee and going along and was happy to wrap things up.

However they said they felt sad about this and asked me to explain how I felt about the miscommunication. I tried to explain that it was fine but they were insistent and asked if I felt annoyed. I conceded sure yes it had been a bit annoying but it was fine and I was happy to move on. They ventured “yes, but you could have mentioned something about the location at the end of our session last week”. They continued “it’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it” and then asked, “does this happen often in your relationships?” (I’d expressed previously feeling angry about some pretty crappy behaviour by a family member who I’d distanced myself from, so this seemed like a ‘knowing’/pointed question). I started to feel uneasy and uncomfortable at this point. Like a sketch with a therapist turning up half an hour late and asking if you experienced a lot of lateness in your childhood (rather than you just reasonably expecting them to be on time).

They finally agreed to end the session and we made chit chat as we walked back to the meeting point.

I’m left feeling a bit weirded out by it now to be honest (apologies if it all sounds quite trivial! I know it is in the wider scheme of things). I tried to do the right thing and not be a ‘difficult customer’ and I feel like they used their position and the privileged information I’ve shared in a way that left me feeling uncomfortable. AIBU to be a bit weirded out by the whole thing?? Thanks if you read this far!

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TheHappyHerbivore · 03/09/2020 14:56

Your therapist shouldn’t be telling you they feel sad when you suggest ending the session early. It’s manipulative - they should be keeping their own emotions and personal feelings well out of it. So they definitely don’t sound very professional or properly supportive, and I don’t blame you for feeling uncomfortable about it.

RowboatsinDisguise · 03/09/2020 14:56

YANBU at all.

This person doesn’t sound massively professional tbh. I’m not even sure they should have mentioned feeling ‘triggered’ by a certain location. You are paying them for therapy and this changes the dynamic in a bizarre way.

Is there any specific reason that you couldn’t meet indoors? Surely this is within guidelines and masks could be worn if required? Or would Skype or Zoom not have been preferable?

Time40 · 03/09/2020 14:57

Your therapist sounds like s/he needs therapy, to be honest! S/he is a pain in the neck, and a bit of a CF. You've been messed about, and the quality of the service you have received has not been good.

Sunnyrainshowers · 03/09/2020 14:57

Your therapist is shite and it's good you've ended things. In my opinion they way he behaved is unethical and he should not have taken your money in those circumstances.

Don't let it out you off therapy. But do listen to your gut reaction, because there is usually a good reason for these feelings. I hope you have better luck with your next therapist.

TheRealHousewife · 03/09/2020 15:22

Sorry if I’m being thick but what does TL;DR mean please?

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 15:23

Thank you so much for the responses!!! I felt that with paying £50 an hour it was a reasonable expectation on a customer service level that their communication is honest and clear.

I wasn’t comfortable with the location but didn’t want to leave them with a gap in their diary at short notice (although I felt the miscommunication was not necessarily my fault). They said in the session that they’ve got family at home where they work so they haven’t felt ready to go back indoors yet, which is fair enough and their choice.

I told them that I was happy to wrap up early and felt badgered into admitting I’d been annoyed about the poor communication which they then made really personal.

Thank you for the replies. I feel really relieved. I felt very weirded out by this encounter and their questions felt intrusive and inappropriate in the context.

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Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 15:24

TheRealHousewife

Too long, didn’t read! ;)

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TheRealHousewife · 03/09/2020 15:24

Sorry meant to add, I’d stop the sessions with this particular therapist. Trust your instincts.

greengreengrass14 · 03/09/2020 15:32

Did you check they are a member of BACP or similar. Members have ethical guidelines and you can turn to BACP google it if you wish to give feedback.

Standard is, don't go to one who isn't a member (in the UK). US therapists have different system.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2020 15:33

As a therpaist she shoudl have a mentor therpats and she needs to go see them

You could, if you wanted to, email her and tell her that she seemed to have got an idea into her head that simply did not reflect how you were feeling and that you were more puzzled than annoyed at her peristence. That had she been more transparent with you, communicated her misgivings about the change of venue more clearly you could have made a more informed decision and saved you both a wasted journey, maybe given you a more effective session, you being the paying customer and all.

Thank her for her time, suggest her chosen spot is not suitable for all of her clients and that she may need to cast about more widely for one that is. And yes, pick another therapist!

But basically, you chose a therapist that does not suit you at all. Move on, forget you ever met her!

TheRealHousewife · 03/09/2020 15:33

Thank you @Tokarczuk .... I’d still dump the therapist 😬

BraveGoldie · 03/09/2020 15:37

OP, your therapist doesn't sound the best - especially how they handled the venue changes. However, I do believe in the premise that most interactions with your therapist can teach you something about yourself and it is fine for a therapist to gently try to explore this with you.

Some of what you say about the interaction could be interesting for you to explore ('trying to do the right thing/ be a good customer/ not wanting to leave a gap in her diary/ being badgered into admitting you were angry)..... it is possibly that you do quite a lot of pleasing and are a bit conflict averse/ uncomfy with expressing anger? It could be interesting for you to explore that via this example.... Feeling weirded out at being asked to might be an indication that there is something there.....

  • but none of that means you have to stick with a therapist who doesn't feel right or that she didn't screw up!
SirGawain · 03/09/2020 15:38

Many years ago I had a friend who was an administrator for a counselling course. She expressed the view that many of the would be counsellers needed therapy themselves.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2020 15:46

I have heard that said a few times. I have a freind form school who was always oddly spiky, could take offence alone in a large room and was always needing someone to talk to at about her issues with her being a real person

Yep, she is a therapist. She bases her work on mindfulness and body awareness and something called the five elements. She includes thearpay for overthinking, something I would say she is still very prone to. And she is scrupulous about practising her own self care.. and yes, that still involves talking to me, and others, about her issues with being a self aware organism. I long to ask her if she talks to her professional mentor/supervisor about that!

But I imagine it is like poachers turned game keepers - they know the ins and outs really well!

Zakana · 03/09/2020 15:48

Wow, doesn’t sound the most empathetic or professional therapist out there, does it? And at £50 an hour, I would have thought you could choose where to meet weigh in reason. @SirGawain exactly this, I’ve been told this before in the past, completely agree.

HollowTalk · 03/09/2020 15:54

That therapist has probably had many threads started on them in the Relationships and Stately Homes threads here. They sound incredibly manipulative. I think I'd report them, tbh.

BertiesLanding · 03/09/2020 16:04

Your therapist shouldn't be practising. I write that as a counsellor. Their behaviour isn't just unprofessional; it's down-right damaging.

Shockingstocking · 03/09/2020 16:04

I think it's reasonable they would express a personal response it they're that style of therapist (presumably they explained their approach at the beginning). From what you've written, it does sound like you unintentionally came over as perhaps stroppy and I think the therapist was doing due diligence to stay engaged with that rather than shrugging her shoulders. I would have shared your dislike about the 'does this happen often' question but then I don't like counselling! This is partly why we go though-to be challenged in a gentle way and encouraged to look for patterns. It seems she didn't realise you'd genuinely checked out but thought the fact you were there meant you were still engaged in the service.

I think it was reasonable for her not to want to tell you about the venue drama over text. I don't think she has any way to know it would trigger the response that it did for you-checking out completely.

candycane222 · 03/09/2020 16:05

Well I'd have been weirded out too, and its great that you were finishing the treatment anyway.

I spent time and money with a therapist once and I kind of started to realise they were hanging on to me (different I know, but) which felt very wrong - and that as one of my problems was moving on from past relationships, I had an absolute lightbulb moment and dumped her! Most instructive, very liberating.

I did also know a psychoanalyst socially once, who was the most miserable, moany person ever. Anything you tried to chat about, was brought back to her terrible unfair treatment by her parents. She was in her 50s. obviously she had 'been though analysis' herself, that's part of the trianing. But she wasn't much of an adverty for it! I could never imagine how she could possibly help anyone, unless they were wanting to learn how to be as self-obsessed as she was.

Shockingstocking · 03/09/2020 16:06

But not the person for you, obviously!

Lifeisabeach09 · 03/09/2020 16:24

So are we supposed to psycho-analyse when and why we get annoyed now? Aren't feelings of anger, irritation and annoyance valid or do we just go through life only being permitted positive 'happy' emotions?

Do you like your therapist?

Clipclop10 · 03/09/2020 16:29

I wonder if this is the same therapist I saw, it sounds very similar to a situation I had.

Anyway, yanbu she sounds like a very poor therapist!

boomoohoo · 03/09/2020 16:30

Hi OP, I've been seeing a private therapist for 4 years and pay the same. I would say from what you describe, that therapist seems very unprofessional on so many levels. Meeting outside, wtf?! How is that a safe, contained space for you. Telling you about them being triggered - not appropriate. I get that a part of therapy is exploring what comes up for you in the therapeutic relationship but it doesnt sound as though they were owning any of their stuff in it. They sound really unethical and I'm sorry you've had that experience. Do you feel able to send them an email providing feedback on the impact on you of the sessions? Take care and well done on being in touch with your instincts

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 16:31

@BraveGoldie

I felt this was a customer service issue and that it was fair in a quite straightforward way to feel that the backtracking on her part was poor communication and frustrating, especially when the sessions aren’t cheap. I would have had no qualms cancelling if it wasn’t for the notice agreement and the fact that it would felt like all the previous sessions would be undermined by raising a ‘customer dispute’ with her. I’m pretty sure she would have pushed back if I’d tried to cancel and I didn’t want to get into a sort of ‘sticking up for my consumer rights’ conversation here.

If it had been any other type of service provider however I’d have gone ahead and cancelled and explained why.

I’m now imagining pointing out to a plumber that their customer service info is a bit unclear, and agreeing that yes, it’s a bit annoying, and them replying:

(tilts head, weak smile) “it can feel frustrating when things don’t go our way can’t it?“ Grin

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MNX42 · 03/09/2020 16:36

Bad luck, you got a poor therapist there OP. I trained as a therapist years ago and there were several in my cohort who were really not suited to the profession. Far too many issues of their own and in group work, where they were the practitioner, always turned the focus back onto them. One woman in particular often felt 'triggered' by comments the role playing 'client' made. They all passed though, so they're out there working!

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