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To feel a bit weirded out by this?

78 replies

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 14:50

TL;DR

Therapist backtracked on discussed location for an outdoor session, gave a made-up reason (later admitted it was actually for other, personal reasons) at a point it was too late for me to cancel, then insisted on exploring why this was annoying for me in our session, I.e. ‘does this happen a lot in your relationships?’ ‘It’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it?’ ‘This is a great opportunity to explore how anger feels for you?’ (I had already accepted their explanation and was happy to move on). AIBU to feel weirded out by and uncomfortable about this?!? Is this something that happens a lot or is a known challenge in therapy (I.e. the therapist getting defensive or attributing justified unease about some aspect of their service to the client’s ‘issues’, perhaps even without meaning to)?

Full details to avoid dripfeeding

Ok so I recently started private counselling sessions. Have had about 5 or 6. It’s pretty new for me. Going fine, have been considering last few weeks wrapping things up as it all seems a bit open ended and unfocused, and I’m not sure it’s quite what I’m after.

Because of corona we initially spoke on the phone which was limited then recently met somewhere outside for the first time to have a face to face session. The location suggested by the therapist was very public and relatively busy.

I suggested a quieter public location ahead of the first outdoor meeting and they said they wouldn’t feel comfortable changing the location at short notice as they need to familiarise themselves with it but they’d be happy to consider it for future weeks. Fair enough.

Met in the park they suggested and whilst it was nice to meet in person there were lots of people running, walking, gardening, working, etc. So not really able to be private or confidential. The sessions aren’t cheap and a lot of it was chit chat and waiting for people to pass, etc.

This week I’ve been thinking of wrapping things up anyway but asked if we could go ahead at the quieter alternative location as discussed. At this point they said they don’t know who owns the land (it’s public council owned) so it won’t be possible and we can meet at their suggested location.

I’m not really comfortable meeting round a lot of people and really looking for face to face meetings (or to wait until things have opened up more) but it was now within the 48 hour cancellation period so I felt backing out, although justified given the lack of clear communication, would be awkward and undermine the previous sessions. I didn’t really want to spend £50 on the session but thought it would be better to go ahead and cut my losses to avoid leaving things on an awkward note.

The topic of this miscommunication came up when we met and they explained that it was actually for very personal reasons they didn’t want to meet in this other place as they might feel ‘triggered’ (not because of the reason given in the text). Fair enough, I just wish this had been communicated transparently so I could cancel the session. I explained that I would have cancelled the session if it had been clear in advance although I did understand their personal discomfort around this other location and thanks for the explanation, etc.

We went and sat down and I felt there wasn’t really anything I wanted to talk about (I’d mostly gone along just to round things off and there was also a guy chopping bits off trees a metre or so behind us) and said I was actually happy to end the session early. I felt I’d done my bit by paying the fee and going along and was happy to wrap things up.

However they said they felt sad about this and asked me to explain how I felt about the miscommunication. I tried to explain that it was fine but they were insistent and asked if I felt annoyed. I conceded sure yes it had been a bit annoying but it was fine and I was happy to move on. They ventured “yes, but you could have mentioned something about the location at the end of our session last week”. They continued “it’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it” and then asked, “does this happen often in your relationships?” (I’d expressed previously feeling angry about some pretty crappy behaviour by a family member who I’d distanced myself from, so this seemed like a ‘knowing’/pointed question). I started to feel uneasy and uncomfortable at this point. Like a sketch with a therapist turning up half an hour late and asking if you experienced a lot of lateness in your childhood (rather than you just reasonably expecting them to be on time).

They finally agreed to end the session and we made chit chat as we walked back to the meeting point.

I’m left feeling a bit weirded out by it now to be honest (apologies if it all sounds quite trivial! I know it is in the wider scheme of things). I tried to do the right thing and not be a ‘difficult customer’ and I feel like they used their position and the privileged information I’ve shared in a way that left me feeling uncomfortable. AIBU to be a bit weirded out by the whole thing?? Thanks if you read this far!

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Thatbliddywoman · 03/09/2020 18:01

Find out what body they're a member of and report them. So many wrongdoings in their conduct(I'm a counsellor)!

EarringsandLipstick · 03/09/2020 18:04

Agree with all PPs about the unprofessional behaviour.

However, I can't see how therapy could work in an outdoor, busy setting.

Why didn't they do it online? That's what I've been doing with my counsellor since Covid & it's great. I nearly think I prefer it to f2f now!

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 18:04

Thank you villamariavintrapp and majesticwol.

I really appreciate the responses here.

I would normally speak to my partner as I feel a bit thrown by this however I’ve chosen not to tell him about the counselling (just wanted to keep it private).

So the responses here are really appreciated.

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Grellbunt · 03/09/2020 18:05

Haven’t read other replies but that is outrageous behaviour worthy of a strongly worded complaint to their governing body.

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 18:06

Hi Thatbliddywoman thanks for your reply, would you be able to provide any more details of that?

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Craftycorvid · 03/09/2020 18:10

Sorry you’ve been left feeling uncomfortable, OP. I think Curious made a very helpful suggestion for a message to send your counsellor if you felt you wanted to say something further.

I’m a therapist who offers outdoor therapy. I do this because I feel strongly that it can be very beneficial if the sessions are well held and the client is happy working that way. I’ve had specific training in this way of working. When you move the ‘therapeutic frame’ outdoors, many things are factors, including other people, dogs, someone taking up your usual sitting place, the weather. You name it! It sounds like your therapist didn’t involve you in choosing a comfortable place or do much to manage the inevitable interruptions. It’s unfortunate she chose to tell you about personal reasons for avoiding your choice of location as that puts you in a difficult position. It can be useful when therapists disclose their emotions too, but not if it leaves you feeling pressured. I think maybe some therapists are moving into outdoor work without experiencing it for themselves first. And not acknowledging a cock-up doesn’t foster trust.

Tootletum · 03/09/2020 18:14

Wow, gaslighting weirdo of a therapist!! Not what you need!

Kaiserin · 03/09/2020 18:27

This "therapist" sounds manipulative and disrespectful, and seem to have a very twisted sense of personal boundaries. Red flags!

gardenclubgnome · 03/09/2020 18:29

This person handled things badly. All qualified/trained therapists have a clinical supervisor( mandatory really to stay accredited ) .So they should have been able to explore any triggers in that environment / on the training/with their own therapist. Of course we can all get triggered at any point but how you have described it sounds off.
Therapist should have over achingly remained professional

  1. Been sure of location and quiet space before hand.
2 Listened to your needs and arranged before hand. 3 Have enough awareness about surroundings to ensure you felt safe and at a good distance from others. A therapist to tell you they are triggered- NOT ON at all. Their stuff not yours.

Yes there are ways for a therapist to ensure they are congruent or honest about their process however. Not like that. They in-fact did not ' hear you' at all. they pushed their own agenda.

Had they ensured the environment was suitable in the first place none of the other stuff would have happened.

You are right to be annoyed. It was not best practice.
Therapy can be hard and challenging, perhaps at times devastating depending on what your getting support with but it should also be empowering. NOT Trapping!!

There are many amazing private practice therapists - please don't be disheartened.Check training/quals/ and just get a sense that who ever you pick you click with.

nevertakethechillpill · 03/09/2020 18:35

I can't past your counsellor suggesting meeting outdoors in a public place! Therapy has to feel safe and private. You have to be able to express! Its not a meetup for a chit chat with a friend!

emmyhelly · 03/09/2020 18:36

YANBU, they sound shit. almost dangerous

Sewrainbow · 03/09/2020 19:24

Sounds weird and unprofessional to me. I wouldn't want to carry on with them either

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 21:04

Thank you for the replies.

Something that really made me feel uncomfortable about this was the way this was turned back on me in a way that felt really personal and discrediting. In previous sessions I willingly shared privileged info – for example feeling angry about certain abusive situations as a child and distancing myself from certain people. I really feel like this was used against me in a situation where the therapist felt personally invested (I appreciate this may not have been done in a calculated fashion.)

I’ve crafted an email but I have this sense that anything I might say will be discredited as being an ‘issue’ on my part. Feel a bit unsettled by the whole thing!

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Grellbunt · 03/09/2020 21:11

I would complain to body not to them

Nottherealslimshady · 03/09/2020 21:14

Sounds like your therapist needs therapy.
They weren't professional at all, very weird behaviour

makingmammaries · 04/09/2020 19:40

The therapist sounds horrible. Move on.

I took DS to a couple of sessions with a child psychiatrist, privately. She was a pathetic excuse for a human being, told us that the problem was the loud TV and music in our home. When I pointed out that we had no TV and didn’t listen to music, she said it was our fault for not putting music on to calm him down. At the following session, she again blamed the TV, although I’d stated clearly the previous week that we didn’t have one.

Some of them are just flakes. It must be awful for patients who doubt their own judgement.

ChanceEncounter · 04/09/2020 19:46

@Tokarczuk

Thank you for the replies.

Something that really made me feel uncomfortable about this was the way this was turned back on me in a way that felt really personal and discrediting. In previous sessions I willingly shared privileged info – for example feeling angry about certain abusive situations as a child and distancing myself from certain people. I really feel like this was used against me in a situation where the therapist felt personally invested (I appreciate this may not have been done in a calculated fashion.)

I’ve crafted an email but I have this sense that anything I might say will be discredited as being an ‘issue’ on my part. Feel a bit unsettled by the whole thing!

Hi, I said upthread but maybe you should just send something bland like 'I'm not able to continue with counselling at this time' as this could mean anything.

You don't have to make yourself more vulnerable to this person.

They've treated you badly imo. So sorry this happened to you Flowers

Obviously if you want to say more then that's fine too.

BuffaloMozzerella · 04/09/2020 22:26

I would just send an email saying you have decided not to continue at present and don't give any reasons you are not comfortable giving. You dont need to give a reason, the therapy is for you not them and you don't need to worry about their feelings. You are perfectly entitled to say you wish to cancel and that's it.

Also, 5 or 6 sessions is not long enough to establish a strong enough relationship for the interactions your therapist is trying to engage you in. Immediacy can be very effective but it needs a level of trust in the therapist, which it sounds wasn't there due to all their messing around with the payment and venue.

Tokarczuk · 05/09/2020 16:22

BuffaloMozzerella

Yes, to be honest on reflection I’m not sure I can be bothered with engaging with them directly again. It would have been more to assert that she had behaved inappropriately. I’m really not interested in inviting a response as I’m not at all interested in her opinion or thoughts on the matter.

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Tokarczuk · 05/09/2020 16:24

& ChanceEncounter

Thanks for the responses. They’ve been really helpful.

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Tokarczuk · 05/09/2020 16:28

makingmammaries

That sounds horrible – it’s so absurd and ridiculous yet being there in the moment and having to deal with that disrespect and idiocy must have been really settling and infuriating. Did you complain about them? Can understand why people don’t as it’s a lot of energy involved, especially if you’ve already had a negative experience.

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queenofknives · 05/09/2020 16:43

It sounds like your therapist was unprofessional and then instead of admitting to it and apologising (which would probably have improved your relationship and made you trust her more) she tried to undermine your perception of the situation to keep her perfect self-image intact. I'm glad that you got something out of the previous sessions though.

I've had some horrible experiences with therapists where it's clear they've seen my vulnerability as an invitation to try to manipulate or gaslight me, or just be outright cruel.

I've also had some good experiences. No one's perfect and everyone can make mistakes, but a good therapist should be able to handle their mistakes in a way that builds trust rather than breaks it. And anyone providing a service to individuals needs to be capable of clear communication around payment and delivery of that service.

Tokarczuk · 05/09/2020 17:31

Thanks gardenclubgnome I really appreciate your post and the points you’ve detailed. I feel the same.

There were lots of elements here that left me in an awkward position.

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billy1966 · 05/09/2020 18:06

So manipulative, dishonest and unprofessional.

Choosing a noisy public spot is astonishing.

You paid for two sessions in a ridiculous space and she used privileged information to manipulate you when you were unhappy.

Appalling.

Therapy can have such value but people like that give it a bad name and do damage to vulnerable people.

She needs reporting to her professional body.
Is she a professional or some fly by night.

Flowers
Tokarczuk · 05/09/2020 18:51

billy1966

You could have taken the words right out of my mouth! It is reassuring to hear that others read that interaction as I did.

She is a member of the BACP. I found her on their website.

Re: the payment

Funnily enough, I realised after the session that I rushed out of the house that morning and didn’t transfer the money over before we met. Usually in that scenario I would send it over straight away after the appointment, however with everything that happened I didn’t volunteer payment, and funnily enough, she hasn’t chased it. Which makes me wonder if she realised how dodgy her behaviour had been.

She put herself on the back foot and it seemed to me that her behaviour in that moment was not motivated by professional interest in my welfare.

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