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To feel a bit weirded out by this?

78 replies

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 14:50

TL;DR

Therapist backtracked on discussed location for an outdoor session, gave a made-up reason (later admitted it was actually for other, personal reasons) at a point it was too late for me to cancel, then insisted on exploring why this was annoying for me in our session, I.e. ‘does this happen a lot in your relationships?’ ‘It’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it?’ ‘This is a great opportunity to explore how anger feels for you?’ (I had already accepted their explanation and was happy to move on). AIBU to feel weirded out by and uncomfortable about this?!? Is this something that happens a lot or is a known challenge in therapy (I.e. the therapist getting defensive or attributing justified unease about some aspect of their service to the client’s ‘issues’, perhaps even without meaning to)?

Full details to avoid dripfeeding

Ok so I recently started private counselling sessions. Have had about 5 or 6. It’s pretty new for me. Going fine, have been considering last few weeks wrapping things up as it all seems a bit open ended and unfocused, and I’m not sure it’s quite what I’m after.

Because of corona we initially spoke on the phone which was limited then recently met somewhere outside for the first time to have a face to face session. The location suggested by the therapist was very public and relatively busy.

I suggested a quieter public location ahead of the first outdoor meeting and they said they wouldn’t feel comfortable changing the location at short notice as they need to familiarise themselves with it but they’d be happy to consider it for future weeks. Fair enough.

Met in the park they suggested and whilst it was nice to meet in person there were lots of people running, walking, gardening, working, etc. So not really able to be private or confidential. The sessions aren’t cheap and a lot of it was chit chat and waiting for people to pass, etc.

This week I’ve been thinking of wrapping things up anyway but asked if we could go ahead at the quieter alternative location as discussed. At this point they said they don’t know who owns the land (it’s public council owned) so it won’t be possible and we can meet at their suggested location.

I’m not really comfortable meeting round a lot of people and really looking for face to face meetings (or to wait until things have opened up more) but it was now within the 48 hour cancellation period so I felt backing out, although justified given the lack of clear communication, would be awkward and undermine the previous sessions. I didn’t really want to spend £50 on the session but thought it would be better to go ahead and cut my losses to avoid leaving things on an awkward note.

The topic of this miscommunication came up when we met and they explained that it was actually for very personal reasons they didn’t want to meet in this other place as they might feel ‘triggered’ (not because of the reason given in the text). Fair enough, I just wish this had been communicated transparently so I could cancel the session. I explained that I would have cancelled the session if it had been clear in advance although I did understand their personal discomfort around this other location and thanks for the explanation, etc.

We went and sat down and I felt there wasn’t really anything I wanted to talk about (I’d mostly gone along just to round things off and there was also a guy chopping bits off trees a metre or so behind us) and said I was actually happy to end the session early. I felt I’d done my bit by paying the fee and going along and was happy to wrap things up.

However they said they felt sad about this and asked me to explain how I felt about the miscommunication. I tried to explain that it was fine but they were insistent and asked if I felt annoyed. I conceded sure yes it had been a bit annoying but it was fine and I was happy to move on. They ventured “yes, but you could have mentioned something about the location at the end of our session last week”. They continued “it’s frustrating when things don’t go our way isn’t it” and then asked, “does this happen often in your relationships?” (I’d expressed previously feeling angry about some pretty crappy behaviour by a family member who I’d distanced myself from, so this seemed like a ‘knowing’/pointed question). I started to feel uneasy and uncomfortable at this point. Like a sketch with a therapist turning up half an hour late and asking if you experienced a lot of lateness in your childhood (rather than you just reasonably expecting them to be on time).

They finally agreed to end the session and we made chit chat as we walked back to the meeting point.

I’m left feeling a bit weirded out by it now to be honest (apologies if it all sounds quite trivial! I know it is in the wider scheme of things). I tried to do the right thing and not be a ‘difficult customer’ and I feel like they used their position and the privileged information I’ve shared in a way that left me feeling uncomfortable. AIBU to be a bit weirded out by the whole thing?? Thanks if you read this far!

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candycane222 · 03/09/2020 16:39

@MNX42 Yikes!

ifIwerenotanandroid · 03/09/2020 16:40

I think you've approached all of this in a more mature, objective & clear-sighted way than your counsellor has. You deserve better than her & I hope you find someone better.

candycane222 · 03/09/2020 16:40

...and @Tokarczuk - yup! absolutely!!

Member984815 · 03/09/2020 16:44

I had a bad experience with a counselor , it started as counseling for my husband who had a couple of shock bereavements and I was asked to go along I decided it wasn't for me . , he went to one more and told me she wanted me to go back , I wish I didn't I immediately felt under attack and it was like she encouraged him to throw any mistake I ever made at me and I just left feeling like shit ,it wasn't cheap for an hour of being told what a failure I was. We didn't go again . She liked to talk a lot about herself aswell. Don't know if it helped my husband but the fact I was the one who found her and encouraged him to go still makes me mad

ChanceEncounter · 03/09/2020 16:44

Another one saying this is not right, your therapist can cancel but not just mess you about like this and then make it about them.

You need to politely email to say thank you I've decided to end sessions and find someone better.

Twatalert · 03/09/2020 16:48

That's so typical of therapists. They have an idea in their head and keep digging, you feel strange about it and want to follow your instincts... but they keep suggesting there is something 'wrong' with it and needs resolving.

Then....another time...totally unrelated... they will tell you to trust your instincts.

They are full of contradictions and can't take a No for what it is - a No. I feel they can mess with your head a lot.

MajesticWol · 03/09/2020 16:49

It sounds like a mess, and like the “Walk and Talk therapy” took place in an inappropriate location. A lot of counsellors are doing it because there is little other choice, but not all have been fully trained in it. The miscommunications etc all sound pretty bad.

However, I agree with BraveGoldie - I think the therapist was trying to challenge you because she knew you weren’t entirely happy but you preferred to keep it to yourself and stew on it a bit. This might have been a chance for you to explore your feelings and why you felt obligated to let something happen that you didn’t want, especially if this is something you do often - and it sounds like it might be, and she let you know she had spotted that pattern. Learning to say “no, that doesn’t work for me” is so so powerful. Your feelings of anger were valid, and yet you invalidated them yourself by not standing up for yourself. You don’t have to stick with this counsellor if you don’t want to, and if you want to complain to her then go for it. If you are unhappy with that you can also complain to her membership body if you want to.

SirGawain, the vast majority of counselling courses require trainees to have extended therapy themselves.

Greengreengrass14 there are many membership bodies for counsellors, the BACP is just one. BACP members are no worse or better than members of UKCP, NCS etc, so I disagree that the standard is to not go to a counsellor who isn’t a BACP member.

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 16:55

Clipclop10

I would be very interested to see if it was! Feel free to dm or share what city it was.

For someone who asked earlier, I found this person on the bacp website.

I’ve previously found them likeable and not had any other instances within sessions where I felt they were being inappropriate. Generally speaking I’ve welcomed probing questions, etc. and have happily shared and questioned patterns on my part, I’m not resistant to being critical/reflective in terms of my own behaviour.

There was one odd thing which happened early on where I kind of thought it was strange but also could just be nothing and ignored it.

About 4 days ahead of the first session I sent an email asking for their payment details and preferred method. They responded to another question I asked but didn’t respond to the question about payment. Thought she might prefer to discuss it in the session or something so didn’t chase it yet. The evening after the session, she sent the payment details with no other message (fine). I wasn’t near a computer but put it on my list of stuff to do. The day after that she sent a blank email ‘fwd’ing’ a message dated the evening of the session, which asked me to please make sure I pay before the session in future. But she hadn’t actually sent the email on that day (I checked all my folders as I was a bit confused by it). And she didn’t send the payment details till after the session (although I’d asked for them well in advance). Still could be completely innocuous but I thought at the time it was an odd way of communicating!

OP posts:
MajesticWol · 03/09/2020 16:56

It sounds like she’s really disorganised and bad at admin.

LonginesPrime · 03/09/2020 17:00

However they said they felt sad about this and asked me to explain how I felt about the miscommunication

WTF? It sounds like your therapist has massive boundary issues, OP!

I wouldn't give feedback as they seem really needy and will just suck you back into their drama. Just cut them loose and move on - I can't believe you had to pay to make them feel better!

I would complain to their governing body (assuming they're accredited) if you have the energy, although don't let their incompetence create too much extra work for you.

Winter2020 · 03/09/2020 17:02

It sounds like the therapist doesn’t want to meet anywhere secluded in case you (or any client) turn threatening. Sounds sensible to me.

MajesticWol · 03/09/2020 17:05

www.counsellor.directory/cgi-bin/cd_article.pl/Immediacy

I think this is what the counsellor was doing, but it clearly didn’t work.

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 17:06

Winter2020

I wondered if this was an element of it too. I agree that would be fair.

As far as I’m concerned it’s totally up to her where she feels is comfortable for her to meet but the main thing is she’s upfront and transparent about that, so clients can decide whether they want to book a session or not.

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MajesticWol · 03/09/2020 17:07

LonginesPine, counsellors can be qualified and members of professional membership bodies without being accredited. There are no governing bodies for counsellors.

itsgettingweird · 03/09/2020 17:07

You need a better and more professional therapist if continuing therapy is something you feel you need.

Be aware there are all sorts of therapists out there. Some have done a 2 day course and some are clinical psychologists.

My friend booked what she thought was a therapist once because she was having issues with her DD. The therapist made the situation ten times worse and she paid £95 for that privilege!

HyacynthBucket · 03/09/2020 17:14

She was extremely unprofessional in talking about her own feelings in the way she did, and also imo in the choice of location where you talked.
It is quite a minefield to find the right person, so hope you get someone better next. In meantime, consider complaining to bacp, though no doubt they will not be too interested.

Tokarczuk · 03/09/2020 17:16

MajesticWol

Yes I felt there was some of that going on. I didn’t mind her telling me she felt ‘sad’ about cutting the session short – I’m ok with someone expressing a genuine reaction and being authentic in that context.

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Alongcameacat · 03/09/2020 17:18

I’d have cancelled the last session without any qualms tbh as the one previous to that was not what you wanted either.

The therapist sounds manipulative and and unprofessional. Can you report her before she does this to a more vulnerable client?

AbsentmindedWoman · 03/09/2020 17:25

It is the therapist's job to provide a safe therapeutic frame to do the work of therapy. It sounds like this person was struggling to do that, for whatever reason, but perhaps not really taking responsibility. So yes, alarm bells would ring.

Give credit to yourself for feeling weirded out, because I think that points to you having appropriate boundaries around the therapeutic relationship.

If I read rightly you have finished anyway? That's good.

Charlieiscool · 03/09/2020 17:33

Just stop seeing them. There’s no reason why you can’t meet in her office anyway. Trust your judgement. if she makes you feel uncomfortable it could be because of her Issues not yours. There are loads of incompetent therapists out there.

QuestionMarkNow · 03/09/2020 17:44

That therapist is crap. You should NEVER propose to meet up in a public place for counselling. There is no privacy which means
1- people can overhear
2- you can’t be relaxed if you hold back what you say because of people around
3- what if you start crying etc??

The questioning about how you felt was just as bad.

If they are part of a professional organisation, I would be tempted to report them.

QuestionMarkNow · 03/09/2020 17:47

@Winter2020

It sounds like the therapist doesn’t want to meet anywhere secluded in case you (or any client) turn threatening. Sounds sensible to me.
Nope. The whole point of a counselling session is to have privacy. You don’t get privacy in a park or in a ‘non secluded’ place.

If a therapist is worried about a client been threatening they shouldn't see them OR have a back up plan (eg be between the door and the client, have someone in reception that intervene etc...)

That not sensible. That’s unprofessional

villamariavintrapp · 03/09/2020 17:53

I think she messed up talking about being triggered etc. That was inappropriate and totally unnecessary as you'd already changed location anyway. She probably realised that when you were keen to quit and the dynamic had changed-chatting etc isn't how it's supposed to be with a therapist really, it totally changes things. She was probably attempting to get back into the therapist role by going on about your anger etc. But think she missed the mark, and this is kind of why therapy isn't conducted like this!

MajesticWol · 03/09/2020 17:58

“Walk and Talk Therapy” outdoors is definitely a thing, and can work very well, but this was not an appropriate location at all.

Iamthedevilinthedetail · 03/09/2020 17:59

Yanbu. You are employing the therapist to help you and they are being a dick. Dismiss them.