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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
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AcrossthePond55 · 24/09/2020 21:03

@Roussette

*Across" your DH is a sensible bloke

I've watched it too many times
My DDs love it lots and DSS is laughing

One of my DDs is on a sabbatical as of 1st Nov. She's promised to see me through the election horror Grin

My DH says he will not watch the Election Day coverage. He really doesn't think he can handle the stress of the constant updates on his heart, so he plans to take a pill and wake up to the news.

I, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to sleep a wink or would be waking constantly to check my phone. So I'm going to DS1 & DiL's to watch the coverage with them. We'll be up all night and there will be plenty of good wine to keep us calm (DS keeps an excellent cellar), so I'll be staying the night!

borntobequiet · 24/09/2020 21:10

The problem with both the UK and USA is that they are democracies in name only and have been so for many years. In both countries the vote is down to a very few electors who can be easily swayed or bribed. Governance is via complex bureaucratic institutions that are resistant to change but not robust enough to withstand being undermined from without and within by those who wish to dismantle them. Society in both countries is fragmented with significant levels of poverty and deprivation existing beside extraordinary wealth. Many people living in deprivation are ordinary citizens who naturally expect better, and are unhappy and angry, but unable to properly identify the true causes of their troubles. Four years ago events came about that enabled these people, as well as the cynical, the criminal and self interested, to bring about what they thought was change that would benefit them. Instead, we have two societies on the verge of falling apart.

lionheart · 25/09/2020 01:45

Mary Trump's lawsuit:

edition.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/mary-trump-lawsuit/index.html

Roussette · 25/09/2020 07:01

born excellent post

Reading that link lion... this bit.. Shock

"Rather than protect Mary's interests, they designed and carried out a complex scheme to siphon funds away from her interests, conceal their grift, and deceive her about the true value of what she had inherited," the lawsuit says.

What a truly awful family they all are. And now at the pinnacle the POTUS. I hope Mary gets everything that's due to her.

Roussette · 25/09/2020 07:30

Does anyone know anything about this? Surely it's bribery with the election coming?

Kayleigh McEnany
@PressSec

US government account
President
@realDonaldTrump
DELIVERS for America’s Seniors!

Soon, 33 MILLION Medicare beneficiaries will receive a card in the mail containing $200 they can use towards prescription drug costs.

This is vote buying, pure and simple

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/09/2020 08:12

Bernie talking sense.

Senator Bernie Sanders has returned to the campaign trail by calling for an independent election commission to stop Donald Trump defying the will of the people and plunging the US into a constitutional crisis.

The independent senator also urged social media companies to “get their act together” and news media to prepare the American people to understand that “there is no longer a single election day”.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/24/bernie-sanders-trump-election-commission?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/09/2020 08:42

(Former Republican Governor and ex-Terminator) Arnold Schwarzenegger is giving rapid grants to places with a history of voter suppression to improve access to polling places, launch vote centers, hire poll workers and get them PPE, and more.

pollingaccessgrants.org/

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/09/2020 10:27

Trump is apparently claiming that nine absentee election ballots from serving military, seven in his favour, have been found in a wastebasket -- it was on the BBC news but I can't find any details (the BBC website sucks swamp through a straw). Does anyone know any more about this?

shyposter · 25/09/2020 11:03

The only place I can find the story is here:

americanmilitarynews.com/2020/09/fbi-finds-9-discarded-trump-military-mail-in-ballots-in-pa-investigation-ongoing/

But can't see it anywhere else

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/09/2020 11:17

CNN reported on it last night. Found in Pennsylvania (military ballots?) I think. I wouldn't put it past the Trump campaign to have planted them. Red herring.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/09/2020 11:43

The DOJ page linked to in the report "cannot be found" but I've located a copy someone screen-grabbed:
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www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots
U.S. Attorneys » Middle District of Pennsylvania » News
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Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
Middle District of Pennsylvania
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, September 24, 2020
Statement Of U.S. Attorney Freed On Inquiry Into Reports Of Potential Issues With Mail-In Ballots
HARRISBURG - On Monday, September 21, 2020, at the request of Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis, the Office of the United States Attorney along with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Scranton Resident Office, began an inquiry into reports of potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections.

Since Monday, FBI personnel working together with the Pennsylvania State Police have conducted numerous interviews and recovered and reviewed certain physical evidence. Election officials in Luzerne County have been cooperative. At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. Investigators have recovered nine ballots at this time. Some of those ballots can be attributed to specific voters and some cannot. All nine ballots were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Our inquiry remains ongoing and we expect later today to share our up to date findings with officials in Luzerne County. It is the vital duty of government to ensure that every properly cast vote is counted.
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I wonder why they took that down...

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/09/2020 11:49

Ah; also in the NYP; nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-investigates-ballots-for-trump-found-in-pennsylvania-garbage/

And the inquiry was at the request of a Republican. Hmmm.

lionheart · 25/09/2020 11:53

Hmm Hmm Hmm

longwayoff · 25/09/2020 11:55

Who would have thought that USA would elect its very own President Yeltsin? And embrace him so madly? Yeltsin's successor, obviously. Such foresight. Heaven help us all.

Roussette · 25/09/2020 11:57

Looks like Trumpy's $200 deal bribe coached as for medical costs to seniors, has hit the skids...

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/09/lets-set-things-straight-on-that-trump-pharma-deal/

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/09/2020 13:47

Any deal Trump makes for ten years ahead is a bit of a risk; he might not get as much as four more years.

BruceAndNosh · 25/09/2020 14:23

@TheNorthWestPawsage

CNN reported on it last night. Found in Pennsylvania (military ballots?) I think. I wouldn't put it past the Trump campaign to have planted them. Red herring.
It's a pretty obvious thing to do to "add credence" to TRump's assertion of fraud... Hmm indeed
lionheart · 25/09/2020 20:08

This won't make Trumpy happy:

time.com/collection/100-most-influential-people-2020/5888309/anthony-fauci/

The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
lionheart · 25/09/2020 20:08

I'm so glad. Smile

BruceAndNosh · 25/09/2020 20:16

Trump is definitely in the Top 100 of influential people, unfortunately his influence is not benign

PerkingFaintly · 25/09/2020 20:22

Aaaaand now I have Randy Rainbow in my head again. And Leonard Bernstein. So it's hard to be unhappy that.

Reprise so that all of you have this earworm too.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/09/2020 21:50

Tuesday's agenda?
(Apologies for large cut and paste from the article but I know WaPo is behind a paywall for some)

Trump readies a debate onslaught — and Biden allies worry
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-debate-attacks/2020/09/25/f2565f36-fd91-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

President Trump is gearing up to launch blistering personal attacks on Joe Biden and his family in the first presidential debate on Tuesday, while Biden is bracing for an onslaught and worried allies are warning the Democratic nominee not to lose his temper and lash out, according to people with knowledge of the strategies in both camps.


Trump has told associates he wants to talk specifically about his opponent’s son Hunter Biden and mused that the debates are when “people will finally realize Biden is just not there,” according to one adviser. The president is so eager to lay into his rival that he has called aides to test out various attacks, focusing on attacks that cast Biden as a longtime Washington insider with a limited record of accomplishment, said another adviser, who like many interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly describe private talks.


Biden and his advisers are anticipating a venomous barrage, according to a person with knowledge of their thinking, and they are preparing to counter with an affirmative case for a Biden presidency. The Democrat wants to stay focused on how he would address the coronavirus pandemic and the country’s economic problems, which he blames Trump for worsening.


The prospect of a cage match between a president for whom no subject is off-limits and a challenger who can be openly emotional is making some Biden advisers nervous. They see a fine line between Biden’s passion and empathy, which can appeal to voters, and the raw anger that sometimes gets him in trouble and could undercut his pitch as a calming alternative to a president who thrives on chaos.




"When you go at his family, he becomes hotter than hell, which is part of the thing I worry about,” said John Morgan, a Florida trial lawyer and major Biden donor. “I think what Biden has to be careful about is not letting his Irish temper blow when that happens.”
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Trump’s deficit in the polls arguably means there is more pressure on him than Biden to score a big win, and his supporters are voicing their own worries. The president’s repeated mocking of Biden as incoherent could make it easy for the challenger to exceed expectations, Trump’s allies say, and they concede the president is always capable of sabotaging his own message.
Trump has shown little interest in studious preparation, but he is expected to meet with advisers this weekend to talk about the debate. “The president’s view is: He’s been president for four years, he’s been in training every day,” one ally said. “He thinks he doesn’t need any prep.
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Biden’s friends and advisers are urging him not to get dragged into ugly exchanges. “There is an old saying in debate circles: When you get down in the mud and wrestle with a pig, the pig has fun and you get covered in mud,” said Sen. Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.), a close Biden confidant. “And the word that is typically used is not ‘mud.’ ”


Biden himself has expressed a similar concern. “I hope I don’t get baited into getting into a brawl with this guy,” he said at a virtual fundraiser this month. He added, “It’s going to be hard, because I predict he’s going to be shouting” and interrupting.

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Biden and his aides are expected to hunker down in preparation for the debate in coming days, according to a person with knowledge of the plans.


For all their emphasis on telling their own story, there is no doubt Trump is squarely on the minds of Biden’s aides and allies. Philippe Reines, who portrayed Trump in Hillary Clinton’s mock debates four years ago, said he recently gave Ron Klain, who is playing a leading role in Biden’s preparation, his “Trump uniform” — the baggy blue suit, cuff links and lift dress shoes he wore to get in character.

“He laughed,” Reines said of Klain’s reaction, adding that Klain told him, “We’ll make good use of it.” (Klain said he was joking and the team is not using the outfit.)


But the lessons from Clinton’s experience four years ago are murky. She was widely considered the winner of all three debates with Trump, yet in the end it was not enough to avoid defeat.


And Trump has shown he considers few tactics off-limits. In one 2016 primary debate, he boasted about the size of his genitalia. In a debate with Clinton, he brought a group of women who had accused her husband of sexual misconduct, though he was not allowed to seat them in the gallery.


Tuesday’s debate — the first of three between Trump and Biden — will culminate weeks of vitriol. Trump has accused Biden of taking performance-enhancing drugs and questioned his mental acuity, without any evidence. Biden has mocked Trump for walking unsteadily down a ramp, flashed visible anger over his opponent reportedly insulting fallen soldiers and argued that Trump’s response to the pandemic disqualifies him from the presidency.


Adding to the tension is a heated battle over the Supreme Court, with Trump moving swiftly to fill the vacancy created by the death of liberal justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The three debates — along with one between Harris and Vice President Pence — will probably unfold at the same time as a ferociously bitter confirmation process that could determine the court’s leaning for decades.
It all kicks off over 90 minutes on Tuesday night on the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic. Trump and Biden will be at podiums a safe distance apart, as specified by health guidelines, according to Frank Fahrenkopf, co-chair of the Commission on Presidential Debates. From the start, the candidates will confront unprecedented decisions, such as how or even whether to greet each other at a time when medical experts are warning Americans not to shake hands.
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Some of Trump’s advisers say he has not been as focused on the debate as they would like. The process at times reminds them of 2016, when they would try to prepare Trump and he would get distracted and tell stories, according to one adviser.
Trump is not undergoing traditional debate preparation with someone playing Biden, according to officials with knowledge of his strategy; rather, he’s relying on a familiar coterie of friends and strategists. Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie has taken on a prominent role in advising Trump on the debate, while senior campaign adviser Jason Miller has watched old clips of Biden and analyzed them.

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Aides have sought to persuade Trump for weeks to stop lowering expectations for Biden’s performance. “We take Joe Biden very seriously,” said Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh. “He’s had decades in the Senate where all he does is debate.”
Yet Trump routinely seeks to cast the former vice president as frail, ineffective and captive to his party’s left wing. “Biden doesn’t know he’s alive,” the president said this month.
That worries some of the president’s allies. “The bar for Biden is very low. The expectations are low. So he doesn’t have to do much to come out looking good,” said Newsmax Chairman Christopher Ruddy, a close friend of Trump’s. “The president just goes out there and says whatever is on his mind. It could get pretty wild.”

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Roussette · 25/09/2020 21:54

Thanks for the info NW Smile

AcrossthePond55 · 25/09/2020 23:20

"Some of Trump’s advisers say he has not been as focused on the debate as they would like."

Because he plans on making it a mud-slinging event. Not a debate on actual issues.

In other new: The SCOTUS nominee is expected to be Amy Coney Barrett. One of the reasons I've heard speculated about is because she was thoroughly vetted as a potential nominee the last time. If so, it will shorten the time from nomination to vote.

She is an absolute and critical danger to women's rights. Not just reproductive freedom, but all forms of equality.

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