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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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Lweji · 23/09/2020 16:44

Not sure I want to watch it, but this seems like an interesting movie.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/23/the-comey-rule-tv-drama-devastating-portrayal-of-trump

'A horror film': The Comey Rule is a devastating portrayal of Trump

HoldMyLobster · 23/09/2020 17:25

Anyone else watching Fauci and Redfield testifying before the Senate Health Committee right now?

Rand Paul is still trying to tell Fauci that people in New York are only not getting Covid any more because they've achieved herd immunity, despite Fauci very specifically telling him he is wrong.

Says a lot about the arrogance of some Republicans in thinking they know more about an epidemic than the epidemiologists.

Roussette · 23/09/2020 17:37

Lobster Fauci really held Rand Paul to account and in a very polite way told him he was wrong wrong wrong

HoldMyLobster · 23/09/2020 17:46

@Roussette

Lobster Fauci really held Rand Paul to account and in a very polite way told him he was wrong wrong wrong
Yes - he very politely called him a moron with saying as such :-)
Roussette · 23/09/2020 18:41

edition.cnn.com/2020/09/23/politics/deborah-birx-white-house-task-force/index.html

Dr. Birx has had enough. Not a lot of sympathy there, she sat there whilst Trump talked of UV lights up yer arse and injecting bleach...

Birx has told people around her that she is "distressed" with the direction of the task force, describing the situation inside the nation's response to the coronavirus as nightmarish.
According to people familiar with her thinking, Birx views Dr. Scott Atlas, a recent addition to the task force, as an unhealthy influence on President Donald Trump's thinking when it comes to the virus.
"The President has found somebody who matches what he wants to believe," a source close to Birx said of her view of Atlas's relationship with Trump. "There is no doubt that she feels that her role has been diminished."

Lweji · 23/09/2020 18:49

That's what they want. For the competent people to go.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/09/2020 18:58

KY AG announces that only one of the three deputies involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting murder will face charges. Even though all three of them fired into the apt

lionheart · 23/09/2020 19:40

Cruz.

www.texastribune.org/2020/09/22/ted-cruz-supreme-court/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_content=1600823528&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

'Ted Cruz blocks a U.S. Senate resolution to honor Ruth Bader Ginsburg, citing a “partisan” amendment.'

lionheart · 23/09/2020 19:43

That Rolling Stone link again (this time for 2020). Don't know why it came up with the 2016 version but the link is now broken. Smile

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/09/2020 20:20

I still don't understand why it is so taken for granted that mail-in voting would be better for the Democrats than the Republicans.

Surely older voters would be glad not to have to risk catching covid-19 by standing in line outside polling booths -- and Republicans are an older demographic than Democrats? And Republicans just the same as Democrats would benefit from being able to send in their ballot papers early rather than having to fill them in at a polling station in person when there are likely to be queues to vote?

AcrossthePond55 · 23/09/2020 20:57

Asking It's not so much a question of whether it's 'better' or not. The Repugs want to be able to cast doubt on the validity of mail in ballots as they believe that more Dems will use them because we are more 'covid aware' and more likely to want to avoid a large group at the polls. Their point now is to be able to 'prove' (by their repetitious lies a la Goebbels) that mail in ballots are more susceptible to fraud, theft, and forgery. Then if Biden does win due to a large proportion of mail in votes, they'll say that the ballots should be discounted because they are most likely fraudulent.

Repugs are being encouraged to cast ballots in person. Just like with masks, they're turning 'in person voting' into a 'proof of loyalty' thing. Real Americans go to the polls & covid is a hoax, doncha know!

Scrotus and his ilk could give a rat's ass if all those lemmings die of covid afterwards, as long as they make it to the polls.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 23/09/2020 21:34

The Breonna Taylor decision is abhorrent.

More than 100 of RBG's former clerks line the Supreme Court steps as her casket arrives.

The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
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lionheart · 23/09/2020 22:20

That is something.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/09/2020 00:17

It just goes to show how admired and respected she was. What a legacy.

Unlike Scrotus, whose death would most likely result in dancing in the streets. I, personally, will lead the Conga line!

TheClaws · 24/09/2020 01:36

This is disturbing - and it should be a wake-up call for everyone. Trump is essentially suggesting here he could throw out all the ballots and simply continue as President - transforming the US into a dynastic dictatorship.

Dr. Dena Grayson @DrDenaGrayson 1hr

‼️*@BrianKarem*: Do you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transfer of power?

@realDonaldTrump: We're going to have to see what happens....Get rid of the ballots, there won’t be a transfer, they’ll be a continuation.

Words of a wannabe dictator.🤬

twitter.com/drdenagrayson/status/1308897909602164736?s=21

lionheart · 24/09/2020 01:41

More here:

www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/trump-campaign-election-coup-bypass-biden-win

'Donald Trump has been throwing everything he’s got at the 2020 election to ensure a favorable result or otherwise undermine the outcome: Sowing doubt in the legitimacy of mail-in ballots. Screwing with the Postal Service that will handle them. Trying to recruit “law enforcement” as poll watchers. Flirting with delaying the election and openly stating that he won’t accept any results he doesn’t like.

Now the Trump campaign is said to be considering another, even more outrageous approach: In a thorough and deeply disconcerting piece about the constitutional crisis that may await us between November 3 and the inauguration in January, the Atlantic’s Barton Gellman reports that the Trump campaign has been discussing “contingency plans to bypass the election results and appoint local electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority.” Citing the president’s baseless claims of fraud, Team Trump could ask GOP-controlled state governments to choose electors, completely ignoring an unfavorable or uncertain popular vote, state and national Republican sources told Gellman.'

lionheart · 24/09/2020 01:43

'“The state legislatures will say, ‘All right, we’ve been given this constitutional power,’” a Trump campaign legal adviser explained to the Atlantic. “‘We don’t think the results of our own state are accurate, so here’s our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state.’”

Does completely ignoring the will of the voters seem anti-democratic? Unconstitutional? Impossible? One would think. But as Gellman points out, however authoritarian this kind of end-around may seem, the Constitution doesn’t forbid such a move, and it’s something the Trump campaign could pull off. Indeed, state Republican leaders have already casually indicated that they’d be all too happy to enable this kind of power grab. “I’ve mentioned it to them, and I hope they’re thinking about it too,” Lawrence Tabas, chairman of the Republican Party in Pennsylvania, one of the swing states on which the 2020 race could hinge, told Gellman. “It is one of the available legal options set forth in the constitution.”'

AcrossthePond55 · 24/09/2020 02:25

Just came to post about his latest and y'all beat me to it....but here's my link anyway;

abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-declines-commit-peaceful-transfer-power/story?id=73205708

He's pretty much out in the open now, isn't he?

lionheart · 24/09/2020 02:28

Yes. He has nothing to lose and the US has everything.

Roussette · 24/09/2020 07:12

So he says the election result will end up in the Supreme Court (which is why they're desperate to appoint RPG's replacement}
Surely, and I'd like to know this... even if his new judge and the ones he appointed are very conservative, they are also in some way, principled people.
Packing the SC like this surely wouldn't mean they would vote to keep him in against all they believe in re the rule of law.
Sometime in the last year or so, didn't a vote go against him when a couple of 'his' judges sided with the more liberal ones?
Or am I over symplifying matters. He can't just direct the judges how to vote can he?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election/trump-hedges-on-transferring-power-says-election-will-end-up-at-supreme-court-idUSKCN26E3CA

I read somewhere also that Trump is urging members of the general public to become 'Election marshals' and to patrol the voting centres.
Shock

Here is interesting...
www.vox.com/21430806/ginsburg-2020-election-legitimacy-trump

The point of these comparisons, according to Hyde and others, is not that the United States is likely to experience a kind of new civil war (though it’s telling that she needed to raise that as a possibility). For a variety of reasons, including the professionalization of the military and the country’s long history of peaceful power transitions, that seems exceptionally unlikely.

Rather, the point is that American democracy is taking on features that are genuinely abnormal in wealthy, consolidated democracies — forms of polarization, social distrust, and politicization of ostensibly neutral government institutions like the Supreme Court that spell doom for public faith in electoral outcomes. When that faith is lost, political factions that have lost elections look to other forms of political activity for satisfaction.

Tom Pepinsky, a political scientist at Cornell, tells me that “we are in uncharted territory” — that no advanced democracy has ever had an election with this kind and degree of problems. The closest analogy he could think of, modern Thailand, was in no way reassuring: a political crisis surrounding the April 2006 election resulted in a military coup.

“There are lots and lots of differences” between the US and Thailand, Pepinsky notes. “But the important similarity is this idea that no side believes the election could be fairly held that they don’t win.”

There are a number of ways that 2020’s loser could challenge the election’s outcome. FiveThirtyEight’s Geoffrey Skelley sketches out one particularly troubling scenario, wherein Trump has a narrow lead in the decisive state of Pennsylvania on election night that ends up flipping after all the absentee ballots are counted. The state’s Democratic governor confirms a Biden victory and sends his electors to the Electoral College, while the state’s Republican-controlled legislature, following Trump rage-tweets, appoints a different slate.

According to Barton Gellman’s reporting in the Atlantic, the Trump campaign and its allies in Pennsylvania are actively considering this kind of push.

Direct appointment of electors “is one of the options. It is one of the available legal options set forth in the Constitution,” Lawrence Tabas, the Pennsylvania GOP’s chair, told Gellman.

The process of whose slate wins out in this kind of fight is, it turns out, shockingly indeterminate: This could easily end with Biden and Trump both claiming to be the real president on Inauguration Day. Massive protests would likely ensue; violence involving the police or armed militias, like the ones recently seen patrolling the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, are well in the realm of possibility in this or any other contested election scenario.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/09/2020 07:43

This shit storm is going to be a tsunami. An actual dis-United States of America - independent states and cities. What a mess. (And I thought the UK was fucked...)

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Lweji · 24/09/2020 07:50

Surely, and I'd like to know this... even if his new judge and the ones he appointed are very conservative, they are also in some way, principled people.

Not everyone on Trump's side is.
Remember that judge whose family was shot recently?