The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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wheeling out old white men isn't working in firing up the electorate

Are you saying Trump doesn't fire up the electorate?

and they both still love him
do you know what it is they love about him?

@Wishingstarr

The population of Maine is 1.345 million and is the whitest most rural state in the nation which generally doesn't vote Republican unless they are very moderate. It's hardly up there in the swing state category.

Actually northern Maine swings back and forth fairly regularly at a federal level.

At a state level our government swings wildly between R and D. Paul LePage? Moderate? LOL.

We also have Susan Collins - a Republican who is potentially about to be voted out. The most expensive Senate race in history I believe.

And we have the only Independent Senator.

This year I'd say for 1.3 million people we've got a fair bit of voting power.

You didn't say where your observations are from?

I don't think WishingStarr actually said she preferred Trump, just that she thought he would win.

Yes, that old "I don't like Trump but Biden is terrible" post.
When did we last see this? And by whom? I believe some went on the Great Christmas Black Hole of 2016.

PS- I totally believe Trump can win, though.

I'm making no predictions about who will win, but 2020 is a very different election to 2016. And it keeps changing...

Its not firing up enough of the electorate from different groups. Those that vote Republican love Trump - he has solid support and just needs some of the center to win.

Biden is not seen as progressive by Bernie voters and as the strategy has been to keep Biden out of the public eye (I guess in the hope that Trump will keep making major blunders) voters are not sure who he is, other than not Trump.

There isn't a strong exciting Democrat challenger and many people feel unrepresented by either of them.

It depends what your issues are as a voter.

It makes no difference how many extra votes Biden gets in traditional Democrat strongholds like the Pacific coast states and NY, its places like Florida and Texas that matter.

Everyone knows Trump is a jerk, voters clearly aren't choosing him for his character. He is acting like a Teflon bulldozer that is clearing the way for the policies that GOP voters want. My in-laws are against transgenderism, pro-military (they both were in the military and then in social services) pro traditional family, God & country type people. They are very involved at their church. They help a lot of people practically like a single mom they know and her 3 boys. I think they don't really understand what the Democrats are offering at the moment other than wanting to tear down American traditions.

I think they will very much want Trump to put a conservative judge on the Supreme Court before the election.

I can't even vote as I am not an American citizen.

@Wishingstarr

I am just describing what a lot of people here are seeing and thinking. I am not a Republican or a Trump supporter. You can wink at each other but then don't be surprised if he wins in some of the swing states.

The fact that both parties offered up terrible candidates yet again may explain why 48% of Americans did not vote in 2016 and why we will likely have a repeat this time. Dems and the GOP are both very evenly split at about 24-25% of those that vote, so small swings can make a huge difference. Its a lot of people in the middle who see themselves as independents that can swing the election.

Bernie was very popular, my husband is still wearing his t-shirt, unfortunately the younger generations obsessed with him on social media didn't show up at the polls. And it will come down, once again, to getting out the vote in key areas. My husband and daughter took a road trip recently and away from the coast they saw Trump signs everywhere they went.

My white father in law and his Black wife both voted for Obama twice and both voted for Trump and they both still love him.

Your husband might want to change his t-shirt. That’s a long time to be wearing a t-shirt.

Susan Collins is a moderate Republican, they are a dying breed.

He washes it, along with his "Medicare for All" t-shirt. The Bernie organization was not competent as my husband ordered yard signs and t-shirts in plenty of time and nothing arrived until after our state primary.

@Wishingstarr

Susan Collins is a moderate Republican, they are a dying breed.

And Paul LePage? Our Governor for 8 years.

Sleaze:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-death-rbg-abortion-pro-life-doug-collins-trump-b501232.html

I think a new word is needed.
Newcomersplaining.

@Lweji

I think a new word is needed. Newcomersplaining.

TBF I'd never have had a clue about Maine politics if Wishingstarr hadn't been here to newcomersplain them to me. I've only lived here 13 years and been voting for 8 of them.

How have Trump's insults to the military gone down with your in-laws?

what the Democrats are offering at the moment other than wanting to tear down American traditions.

I'm also intrigued by this statement, because the current Trump administration is all about tearing down American traditions. Isn't that exactly how he sold himself? As the man who would do things differently?

He's appointed his family to government roles and not given up his business interests (just passed nominal control to his children who are in daily contact).

He's sacked senior members of government agencies for not pledging personal allegiance to him as an individual, above their allegiance to The People.

He's overtly, and very popularly, against the arrival of any kind of huddled masses.

It sounds a lot like one of those projections that Trump himself does so often, to hear someone describe Democrats as tearing down American traditions while implying Trump doesn't. I wonder where that phrase came from?

Another bit that stands out is this:

Those that vote Republican love Trump

I don't know which media you or your family consume, but it's interesting to see you say this.

Are you unaware of the never-Trumpers; of people who have very publicly left the Republican party; or of Republican anti-Trump campaigning eg by the Lincoln Project?

lincolnproject.us

I appreciate you might not know about this, as I don't imagine they get much coverage on pro-Trump MSM.

When you all reminisce about mysteriously vanishing Claig, is this the kind of thing you were talking about?

I dunno....I feel as if claig was in a slightly higher League 🤔

Oh claig had bizarre specific hobbyhorses which made him/her really distinctive. He/she couldn't stay off them for long.

One was his/her cycle of appointing a new messiah every year or so, who was always held up as being an outsider who'd smashed through "the elite".

These "outsiders" were almost entirely hereditarily wealthy white men who'd travelled very traditional routes and were wielding power in very traditional ways to benefit themselves and their friends (who also tended to be white men).

These exciting, outsider "men of the people" included Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair. I can't remember if he/she lasted long enough to wet his/her knickers over Boris Johnson, but Johnson's very much claig's typical hero.

These exciting, outsider "men of the people" included Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair.

Really? That’s hilarious!

Trump was one of claig's "men of the people", too, of course. Definitely not privileged elite, oh no, not Trump.

It was surreal to read.

Warming up in the wings:

www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/nyregion/donald-trump-taxes-cyrus-vance.html

Towards the end, at least 50 % of their posts were copy paste of articles.
And Diamond and Silk YouTube clips.

You'll be pleased to know (or not) that they are still around, despite Twitter, Facebook and Fox News trouble. The cognitive dissonance is strong with those two.

Search reference for talking about systemic racism and how it's not DJT's fault, if interested. I'm not posting a link.

Youtube reference LeMbr0LOwj8

Well if I am "newcomersplaining" its because of the responses I got so therefore I was explaining why I have the impressions I do.

If you bring up a specific state in a UK forum I am going to assume that not everyone reading it is going to be aware of how Maine's politics line up when compared with other states.

Unfortunately it would be great if there had been a mass exodus from the Republican party because "never-Trumpers" were the majority. This clearly hasn't happened, and in fact there are constant stories of GOP politicians who criticized Trump in 2016 who have now cravenly fallen into line due to his popularity with party faithful.

Its not those who strongly identify as Republicans or Democrats, its all those floating in the middle who decide elections as we all know - scuse my explaining. I just don't assume anything of people reading.

I don't know what my in-laws think about what Trump said about the military as we stay away from politics. I made the mistake of assuming my father in law's wife hadn't voted for Trump by criticizing him for some diabolical behavior the summer of 2017 and she got very angry defending him. So for family unity and keeping the peace I don't mention politics anymore.

I'm assuming the fact that they can ignore all his hideous behavior and views because they like that his is anti Gender Identity, pro-life and supports other causes they support. It was no secret that he is very disrespectful of the military when he criticized a Gold Star family and McCain's time as a P.O.W. and was a draft dodger anyway.