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AIBU to have had enough of my depressed husband?

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StitchInLime · 29/08/2020 11:11

Hubby has always been a 'glass half empty' kinda guy while I've always been a 'glass half full' type. I don't tend to give up on things whereas he gives up at the first rejection/obstacle.

I knew this when we got together. Maybe it was part of the attraction, this brooding silent type.

But it's becoming too much. The pandemic has compounded it and I think he's slipped into actual depression. He's just so miserable all the time and it brings me (and I think, our daughter) down. He talks about not having any luck, nothing good happening to him (he dislikes his job and has half heartedly tried to find another but gives up at first sign of rejection). In truth, there is so much he should be grateful for! We have our health, we have our amazing daughter, we have a lovely house in a lovely area. My job has been paying well lately so I've been doing things to help, like I paid for him to have 3 months off to focus on finding a new job / focus; I paid for something to help with his hobby....to be fair, the pandemic hit in the middle of all that. But he still had some time.

He has been to Dr and on anti depressants but not making a difference.

I'm not sure how much longer I can live with the relentless sadness and negativity.

AIBU to tell him to snap the f&£k out of it or I'll leave? Or is there more I can do to help him?

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D4rwin · 29/08/2020 11:14

I'm all for people leaving someone who refuses to engage with their own recovery. But you sound impatient and childish. No one can just snap the fuck out of an illness.

RabbityMcRabbit · 29/08/2020 11:32

You say yourself that you think he is slipping into depression and yet you are surprised that he seems sad?! Confused There is plenty you can do. Google it. However, a start would be to Ask him what you can do to help. Anti-depressant take time to work. CBT helped me in conjunction with medication. Encourage him to get out of the house each day, even if it is just for 10 minutes. Your whole post reads as very unsympathetic tbh. Mental health issues are no different to physical ones in that they take TIME. Would you ask someone with a broken leg to "snap out of it"? The very fact you think like this is very worrying imo. Depression is a real illness. You need to be far more supportive and patient and never ever ever tell anyone who has depression to "snap out of it".

OlympicProcrastinator · 29/08/2020 11:32

YANBU. How draining. Nobody likes a fun sponge.

Brainwave89 · 29/08/2020 11:36

It does sound like he needs support. I do understand there might be a limit at some point as to what you think you can do, but your post does not sound like you have done anything as yet at all.

redcarbluecar · 29/08/2020 11:37

Yanbu to feel like you can’t stand it anymore, and to look for a way out of this unhappy situation, but if it’s a genuine illness, I don’t think he’ll be able to ‘snap out of it’. I think depression can also still be very real even when life is ostensibly fine. I hope there’s some way forward for you both.

MyOwnSummer · 29/08/2020 11:38

Not unreasonable at all. Being depressed is an illness, being a miserable cowardly twat who won't see the positive in anything or try at anything out of fear of rejection- that is a separate thing, and sounds like he has always been this way.

Even if this is down to legitimate illness, you are not obligated to continue the relationship. His mental health is his issue to address, sounds like you have been kind and supportive up to now. You're a person in your own right, not a support robot who's just there to prop him up.

CookieMumsters · 29/08/2020 11:39

I think your probably struggling because it's hard to tell where the old fun sponge behaviour ends, and the more recent depressive behaviour begins.

D4rwin · 29/08/2020 11:43

So people are OK with her leaving this "fun sponge" that she's taken issue with even though he was always that way? Surely if he hasn't changed, it's her then the standard question is, who have you met?

seayork2020 · 29/08/2020 11:45

If he had q life threatening illness a car accident etc. Would you put up with it?

What about if this situation was reversed would you expect him to stay with you?

ThirdTimeUnlucky · 29/08/2020 11:52

Yanbu - I've been there and got the t-shirt. He was a bullying control freak too. He just sapped the happiness out of me over the years.
I left him eventually. I realised he wasn't going to change.
You sound like you've been supportive but have had enough.
Please don't tell him to snap out of it though, he can't. I've had depression too and have tried numerous pills. CBT worked far better than pills for me though and ultimately a better partner.

Ori82 · 29/08/2020 12:15

I think the problem you have here is that you willingly chose him knowing that he had this streak in his nature anyway. He might be circumstantially depressed at the moment as well, which is simply compounding his natural tendency towards somberness.

Talk to him about how you're feeling right now. It's entirely possible he doesn't know the extent of your irritation so being honest with him would be a very good start.

My DH went through a period of depression and anxiety, all job-related. I was worried shitless but no way would I have left him. It took him time to get himself better, he went on meds, and with lots of love and cuddles he improved. Then he was able to take control of his awful work situation, which he did. He applied for another job - not half-heartedly, but with real intent, and he got it. He is so much happier now.

The point of me telling you this is that I do think your DH needs to take ownership over his health and wellbeing - and also his choices. This is in addition to you supporting him to do this as he might need the help of someone who knows and loves him intimately. You may need to ask him to help himself by "owning" where he is right now, and enable him to take practical steps to a) recovery and b) getting himself back on track with a suitable, fulfilling job, once HE has started his recovery.

I would also add to this that you can't undertake his recovery for him. He needs to accept where he's at, and want to do something about it.

ApricotJams · 29/08/2020 12:28

I’ve struggled with depression, and I think it’s very difficult for people who haven’t to understand what it’s like. Folks offer practical support (as you have with supporting him while finding another job, which does show you care). But for me, the illness takes away all my motivation, and hope for the future. It really does all feel pointless. And knowing that he is disappointing you probably isn’t helping. My family focussed on the practical and got annoyed when I couldn’t manage to ‘cheer up’ and ‘snap out of it’ and it nearly broke me.

I would suggest you take small steps. Focus on being there and being supportive. Go for walks together, talk about random things, not the big life stuff that feels so important to you but is overwhelming for your H. Listen to his concerns but don’t try to ‘fix’ it. I believe the family’s role is to be kind and patient, and for counselling to work on the underlying causes and solutions.

Sometimeswinning · 29/08/2020 12:29

You're dh sounds draining. I'm very much like you and look at what I have and appreciate it and it's really difficult (my dh does it) when someone keeps looking at things negatively. Luckily I can remind my dh and he does snap out of it!

Decentsalnotime · 29/08/2020 12:33

You describe yourself as a half full kind of person

On the basis of this thread - you really aren’t.

You seem to have no optimism or hope whatsoever when it comes to your husband

ErinBrockovich · 29/08/2020 12:57

Lockdown has made a lot of people feel low and sad. You say it’s got worse and he’s seen the GP and has antidepressants. At this point in time what more do you want from him?
Does he have a good relationship with his family? Could he see more of them or his friendship circle? Could you suggest days out or holidays to look forward to?
Can he pick his hobby back up? It might be worth sitting down together and listing the things he enjoys and carving out some time for him to do this.
To be honest I’d be worried about him. The fact he’s got worse and is struggling to find any joy in life is concerning. Keep him talking and be there for him. He’s unwell.

MitziK · 29/08/2020 13:04

@ApricotJams

I’ve struggled with depression, and I think it’s very difficult for people who haven’t to understand what it’s like. Folks offer practical support (as you have with supporting him while finding another job, which does show you care). But for me, the illness takes away all my motivation, and hope for the future. It really does all feel pointless. And knowing that he is disappointing you probably isn’t helping. My family focussed on the practical and got annoyed when I couldn’t manage to ‘cheer up’ and ‘snap out of it’ and it nearly broke me.

I would suggest you take small steps. Focus on being there and being supportive. Go for walks together, talk about random things, not the big life stuff that feels so important to you but is overwhelming for your H. Listen to his concerns but don’t try to ‘fix’ it. I believe the family’s role is to be kind and patient, and for counselling to work on the underlying causes and solutions.

And I think it's also hard for people who feel like this to understand that others who have had depression and come out the other side know what worked for them and what made life so much worse.

And they are very aware of how somebody who is depressed and very much negging everything and everybody, including the efforts of the person who is trying to keep things together, can drag them back down as well.

MagentaADomestic · 29/08/2020 13:09

Unfortunately, depression isn't something that can just 'snap out of' and I think it's unreasonable that you would even think that. Can you imagine if the tables were turned and he said that to you? How would that make you feel? You say that he has all these things that he should be greatful for but when you are so low you're just trying to get through the day it's hard to see all that.

tensmum1964 · 29/08/2020 13:11

I left a depressed partner many many years ago for similar reasons. All I could see was years of nothing ever changing. Like your partner his glass was always half empty. For a few years after I felt inadequate, guilty and wondered if I had not given him enough, could I have done more, would staying in the relationship have helped him recover etc etc etc. 30 years later he is still the same. He has been with his current partner for 20 plus years and her life is awful because of him. I have no regrets leaving him.

AnEleanor · 29/08/2020 13:18

I think there can definitely come a point where a relationship with a depressed person can’t go on... but from your OP it doesn’t sound like you’ve exhausted all your options to help him. And it might take a while for him to recover. I mean- you don’t have to stick around and help him but I think yab a little bit u to leave him now going on what you’ve said.

Having said that, it must be very draining and you deserve support to so you can also ask for help.

Potterpotterpotter · 29/08/2020 13:24

Yanbu

I couldn’t put up with it. Living with a Debbie downer for the rest of your life will drain you.

Redwinestillfine · 29/08/2020 13:26

If he is suffering from depression he can't just snap out of it and saying that to him is completely the wrong way to go. If he's on anti depressants he has acknowledged the problem and is seeking treatment. Support him but don't let him stop you doing what you want. Carry on as normal but accept he may not want to join in.

MitziK · 29/08/2020 13:31

@ApricotJams

I’ve struggled with depression, and I think it’s very difficult for people who haven’t to understand what it’s like. Folks offer practical support (as you have with supporting him while finding another job, which does show you care). But for me, the illness takes away all my motivation, and hope for the future. It really does all feel pointless. And knowing that he is disappointing you probably isn’t helping. My family focussed on the practical and got annoyed when I couldn’t manage to ‘cheer up’ and ‘snap out of it’ and it nearly broke me.

I would suggest you take small steps. Focus on being there and being supportive. Go for walks together, talk about random things, not the big life stuff that feels so important to you but is overwhelming for your H. Listen to his concerns but don’t try to ‘fix’ it. I believe the family’s role is to be kind and patient, and for counselling to work on the underlying causes and solutions.

I'm really sorry, I don't want you to feel like I'm picking on you, but I've thought of other things in response to your comments to illustrate my point of view.

Focus on being there and being supportive

So you're there. But he's ignoring you/in bed staring at the wall/sighing and muttering 'oh, what's the use?'.

Being supportive. But he's not making eye contact, turning away, telling the kids to leave him alone whilst you're tiptoeing around picking his socks off the bedroom floor, he stinks because he won't change his clothes or wash and it's permanently dark because he won't accept the curtains being opened. If you ask what he'd like for tea, he says 'Don't care'. So you grit your teeth and make something nice, full of flavour and healthy, putting it near him so he can eat it if he wants. It's still there three hours later. It would still be there 3 days later if you didn't clean it up. And then you spot the halfeaten packet of crisps and chocolate wrappers shoved down the back of the bed because he did eat, but couldn't be bothered to tell you or put the remainders in the bin. Because whilst you were at work, he went out and bought it all. It's just the boring stopping for anybody else that he can't possibly manage.

Go for walks together

Nice idea. But he won't even get out of bed until you get in there, much less leave the house when it's not his decision.

talk about random things, not the big life stuff that feels so important to you but is overwhelming for your H

Might as well be talking to the cat. Who, although he has no comprehension of 'The savings are gone and we're not going to be able to pay the rent in October', at least pretends to listen and doesn't make out that you're being mean by making their life worse/putting pressure on them.

Listen to his concerns but don’t try to ‘fix’ it-

Everything's shit. There's no point. It's all pointless. He's saying about how he feels (if he can summon up the energy to bother having a conversation when there are boxsets to watch or a wall to stare at. But you could just as easily say that about trying to talk to him.

I believe the family’s role is to be kind and patient, and for counselling to work on the underlying causes and solutions

Patience doesn't pay the bills. Patience doesn't stop you feeling invisible. Patience doesn't stop you feeling that everything has fallen on your head - earning, shopping, cooking, cleaning, every single thought, act is your job and in return, you get a largely miserable and frequently invisible housemate that makes your bed smell because he's in it all the time whilst you do the work to keep everything together.

Counselling? That would suggest he was willing to do it. But, as he's said already, there's no point. He won't leave the house to attend an appointment, He won't use the phone. He won't use the internet. He'll ignore email based counselling. Because he says there's no point and it won't possibly work anyhow.

And that's before you get to things like drinking, rejection of all physical affection or wanting sex but it being crap because of the medication or you being too tired because you're doing everything and he complains you're denying him comfort.

When somebody has been supportive and kind and had everything they've done thrown back in their face for months if not years, 'Snap out of it' means they've had enough of everything being their responsibility and the other person's sole purpose in life appears to be making sure everybody else is as unhappy as they are, just so long as the 'supportive' person continues to do all the heavy lifting.

A refusal to understand that or act on it means that the depressed partner is running on the theory that they won't actually end the relationship. Which is a dangerous gamble to place.

Couchbettato · 29/08/2020 13:53

I've been on both sides of this. Looking back, when my partner was suffering, I think I treated him absolutely abhorrently because it was easy for me to be mind over matter even though at the time I would have sworn blind I had all the patience in the world, after having my son and getting PPD, he treated me a lot differently to how I'd treated him and he let me wallow when I needed to, and he wallowed with me, and even after the umpteenth rejection to do something good, he still offered and eventually when the medication did start working (which took a long time, a lot of changes, a lot of increases and decreases, and sometimes the side effects made my depression worse), but he never made me feel like I was a burden to him which really has helped my recovery, because I absolutely did make him feel like a burden to me, and then wondered why it wasn't getting any better.

I don't think any one should be with someone that no longer brings them happiness, because that really hampers every ones progression. But I don't think you should tell him to snap out of it, because he's already trying.

stuckdownahole · 29/08/2020 13:59

No direct comparison with your situation, but I left a depressed partner in my 20s. It wasn't easy and I still miss her (I'm male, not that it really makes any difference in this situation), but it gradually became my job to maintain her happiness and stability. We had no children and were only renting a flat together, yet the pressure was affecting me.

I've never found anyone to replace her in 20 years and that's sad, but if we had built a life together (we had discussed it) I would have ended up effectively as her carer and wouldn't have done all the good stuff I've experienced.

She seemed jealous and negative when something positive happened in my career - I suppose it was fear of me leaving her behind. I sense a little bit of that same dynamic in your post. There came a point at which I realised that we were in a routine, she wasn't going to agree to change it, and I had been assigned a role. I was emotionally drained and it would have been easier to just put up with things the way they were. I'm glad I didn't.

Only you will know if your marriage is at that point of no return but there's no shame in feeling the way you do.

feistyoneyouare · 02/09/2020 15:22

YABVU and don't sound like you love your husband at all now the novelty of being with a 'brooding silent type' has worn off. How shallow. Have you never heard the expression 'in sickness and in health'?

I understand your frustration, but depression is an illness. Your husband can't help this. He is getting medical help, but finding an effective treatment plan for depression is hard and can take time.

Grow up, learn some empathy, and for fuck's sake educate yourself about depression.