To be really angry on behalf of teachers

[Jessicabrassica]

I know mumsnet loves a bit of teacher bashing.
I'm really angry that once again the Department for Education has put out guidance for schools in a Friday night before a long weekend with some schools having already started and others back next week.
I cannot imagine how many iterations of risk assessments have already been completed to make schools as safe as possible given the constraints of staff numbers, building size and requirements to get every child back in school.
They are getting enough PPE to tick the box that it's been issued to all schools but not enough to be useful.
Teachers mostly haven't stopped working since the pandemic began. They have continued to teach, to support vulnerable learners, provided meals and good parcels out of school funds in lieu of FSM, they remained open through school holidays for key worker provision.
I really feel that they have been well and truly fucked over, left massively vulnerable and will be left to carry the can for community outbreaks.

I'm a parent and work for the NHS if it's if any consequence.

As I said

people who generalise their specific experience to all schools and all teachers

You don't see this as a failure of social care at all that they couldn't find these foster children a placement in a school? They were entitled to a place. Certainly, the LACs in my schools were on site.

cayrol, not all of my list included bad people.

Just where has the OP suggested children should not go back to school? They’ve said that it’s pretty poor timing for new guidance to be put out.
I’m with you. YNBU.

If only it were as easy as opening the gates and allowing the children to skip back into school.

You are probably right noble.

@noblegiraffe

lol at paid shills infiltrating mn

Christ you're naive. We had a bunch of paid Russian shills on here during the Brexit campaign, and when the Salisbury poisoning happened.

Totally agree.

Have you tried getting a GP appointment and the multiple steps that are now in place to do so? Well I've been seen by GPs, consultants and all manner of NHS workers since May. They've adapted quickly and integrated private and NHS systems really efficiently. It's been amazing.
We're in Scotland though.

@CayrolBaaaskin - Who is Bobby?

@Rosebel

I work in retail. Just imagine if me and my colleagues had refused to work. Yes some of my colleagues have screens but not those working on the shop floor and not when we actually needed them but no one said we needed protection. Guess we're just not important.

I thought they did.

I asked my local one if they had all they needed, asked staff if they felt safe. Thanked them for working.

I admit I couldn't provide this stuff but one staff member admitted how the sanitiser was crippling her excema so I gave her my cotton gloves from my bag which I use for mine.

Teachers wanting protection doesn't mean they think no one should have.

They would just like social distancing and limited numbers which supermarkets did have

I don’t think I have found a teacher who is refusing to work in September. Can you point one out to me please?

Maybe the paid shills all work for U4T

maybe they work for Dominic Cummings

piggy no.
Social services have been brilliant (and it’s not often I say that).
A placement in a hub was not the issue. It was obtaining some (any!) information from their teachers - people who knew them.
But they would not return calls or emails. School had closed and that was that.
It was such a deriliction of duty to their pupils (who they knew full well were vulnerable).

But almost worse has been the closing of ranks by other teachers. The refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on. The dismissal, the snark, the lack of interest.

Yes this may be the individual experience of two children and their foster parents but I cannot for one second believe it is exceptional.

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@itsgettingweird - if you didn’t realise the schools were closed I would suggest trying to get a gp appointment (they are still working).[/quote]
Re read my post!

It was sarcasm.

I know they were open.

I was in everyday. Right the way through.

Actually I admit - I did have time off when I had Covid.

And thank you. I know go surgeries are open too. Because whilst working I also had quite a bad medical issue (after Covid) which I worked though and has left me severely anaemic.

So much so I'm quite worried about how I'll manage next week to work whilst so weak. But I'll be there.

Openly having hobbies and not having the decency to feel ashamed' (I'm paraphrasing), 'teachers need to play their part in society' Moaning', 'crack on', 'snowflakes', 'whining', 'get a grip', 'paid with our money', 'don't live in the real world', 'teachers just love to sodding moan', ‘Thank goodness nurses and doctors carries on without the same fuss.’, ‘our teAchers will close the school again at the drop of a hat.’ ‘If only teachers put as much energy into re-opening schools as they seem to complaining about how unfair it all is on them.’ ‘There has been no particular spreading of COVID in schools and no reason to be concerned ‘ ‘Shit at their jobs (and parents can do it better but we still want teachers to do it even though they’re shit).’ ‘gas lighting.’ ‘Some people just seem to want lockdown to last forever.’ ‘suffering major delusions’, ‘constantly whining about how they have it uniquely difficult.’

Also lots around the theme of ‘I’ve been treated really badly at work, so why shouldn’t teachers be?’

I’ve seen at least three more examples of the last one.

Hopefully there's more to come! I'm thinking this'll be a good resource to use if anyone sees teachers getting a bit above themselves.

The Gov are disastrous, the planning in education has been disastrous and it all must be very frustrating - but our teachers did close to nothing lockdown which was frustrating too!

The refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on.

I started a whole thread about it www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3941702-Annoyed-your-kid-isn-t-having-zoom-lessons-or-school-contact-or-not-going-back-to-school-yet

Can't see you on it though.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch - good going - just need to add these

refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on
dereliction of duty to their pupils

plus there maybe something about 'bobby' once @CayrolBaaaskin gets back

How many squares do we need to fill to get a bingo card? we cant be far off now

Nice to see teachers actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children.

Good work there.

‘ Have you tried getting a GP appointment and the multiple steps that are now in place to do so?
Or tried going to a dentist recently and the precautions that they have put in place?’

@FrippEnos I’ e had both a routine check up at the dentist and a hygiene spot since they re-opened. Other than waiting outside the surgery rather than inside there was little difference.
Both kids have seen the GP in person and I’ve had a phone and video appt.
they’ve found new ways or adapted.

@Aragog

The point of this thread is about the woeful incompetence of the government publishing updates ridiculously late.

Why do some people again choose it to have a bash at teachers?!?!

Exactly. Some posters here never miss an opportunity.

@HelloMissus

Nice to see teachers actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children.

Good work there.

You are happy to dish out the hits but you dont want to take them

lol

Thanks Staff and noble.

Openly having hobbies and not having the decency to feel ashamed' (I'm paraphrasing), 'teachers need to play their part in society' Moaning', 'crack on', 'snowflakes', 'whining', 'get a grip', 'paid with our money', 'don't live in the real world', 'teachers just love to sodding moan', ‘Thank goodness nurses and doctors carries on without the same fuss.’, ‘our teAchers will close the school again at the drop of a hat.’ ‘If only teachers put as much energy into re-opening schools as they seem to complaining about how unfair it all is on them.’ ‘There has been no particular spreading of COVID in schools and no reason to be concerned ‘ ‘Shit at their jobs (and parents can do it better but we still want teachers to do it even though they’re shit).’ ‘gas lighting.’ ‘Some people just seem to want lockdown to last forever.’ ‘suffering major delusions’, ‘constantly whining about how they have it uniquely difficult.’ ‘refusal to even acknowledge that this has been going on’,
‘dereliction of duty to their pupils’, ‘actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children’,

Also lots around the theme of ‘I’ve been treated really badly at work, so why shouldn’t teachers be?’

I’ve seen at least three more examples of the last one.

The Conservative party have a woeful track record of managing education in this country. There are already so many examples of the party’s ideology and ignorance doing great harm to the life chances of young people, specifically in England as opposed the whole of UK because devolved power has mean different decisions have been made about a lot more than just lockdown learning strategies. Teachers I know have depressingly low expectations of DofEd. If half the energy that went into criticising teachers went into understanding the broader landscape of education, those responsible may actually be held to account.

@HelloMissus

Nice to see teachers actively mocking foster parents and vulnerable children.

Good work there.

Where have you seen that? We've said that looked after children were entitled to be in school. They also should have been entitled to a laptop. If they didn't get that, it's not okay.
No mocking going on there.