To be shocked at yet another last minute gov announcement.

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New guidance for schools just announced on a Friday night before schools return. Breathtaking incompetence.

@ineedaholidaynow

School risk assessments are based on the Government guidance, so they have to be adapted once the Guidance is amended.

Interestingly some of the earlier guidance the Government published in the summer term used to include 'this is purely for guidance'. they have removed that now.

Don't forget the "where possible" to every bit of guidance too!

@pennylane83 I wonder if schools didn't open whether parents would accept the argument that the Government guidance was purely guidance and that schools have decided to ignore it and not open.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Yes it is.But they didn't have the flexibility or guidance before.'

So, again which bit of the guidance is different to what your school planned. Why is it all so outrageous? Its what out local schools were all doing anyway.

It's guidance with a contingency plan. Guess what, they may release something else next week as it's an ongoing situation!

Teachers have my full respect and support. However I have many family and friends who work in the NHS with policies and procedures changing weekly, they just dont expect this weeks in advice instruction.

Schools have to follow the guidance.

They weren't allowed royals and PPE/ masks.

Schools cannot make up what they do.

They must do what the Dfe says.

'if you are going to discuss politicians at least make sure you know what their name is.'

Oh I like to call him Keith, sometimes Brylcream Keith I think it suits him better. Childish I know, but on mn boris gets called all sorts so I've lowered myself if you like.

'They weren't blocking though.They were asking for the guidance '

Also, after all the talks they had are you seriously suggesting no advice or guidance was given for the limited return in June. Nothing?? Or, just nothing that the unions wanted to hear?

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@pennylane83 I wonder if schools didn't open whether parents would accept the argument that the Government guidance was purely guidance and that schools have decided to ignore it and not open.[/quote]
Now there's a point I didn't consider!

I expect HT could do with another 2 weeks summer to implement the last minute guidance asked for 3 months ago.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'if you are going to discuss politicians at least make sure you know what their name is.'

Oh I like to call him Keith, sometimes Brylcream Keith I think it suits him better. Childish I know, but on mn boris gets called all sorts so I've lowered myself if you like.

'They weren't blocking though.They were asking for the guidance '

Also, after all the talks they had are you seriously suggesting no advice or guidance was given for the limited return in June. Nothing?? Or, just nothing that the unions wanted to hear?

Your right it was.

The last updated one appeared at some point in the 31sy May. The Sunday before they opened.

Think it was 57 versions they sent over the half term week in total? I'm sure someone who is actually a teacher (I'm not) can confirm.

It's like the partial opening - schools worked really, really hard to write their own guidance, which included rotas. Then the guidance came out - no rotas allowed. So schools had to adjust their guidance, because if they went their own way and there HAD been an outbreak, the head would have found themselves in a very sticky spot of personal liability

But if you could show that you had followed your own policies and procedures to the letter and that those policies and procedures were robust in their assessment of their particular location/scenario/circumstances - one size doesn't fit all particularly when it comes to vastly differing school buildings/school communities etc. Each school can still interpret the same guidelines in different ways.

GetOff

It appears you get your information from the Daily Mail. The information you are getting from the Daily Mail is wrong.

HTH.

@pennylane83 I think schools would have been in a very precarious position if they brought in a rota, when it expressly stated no rotas.

And pennylane appears to have zero idea about how schools work.

What a shower.

@GetOffYourHighHorse
Which bit has shocked you? Or which bit do you disagree with? Isn't it a framework to give authorities the ability to be flexible depending on their local infection rates?

None of it shocked me but I work somewhere where they have the professional courtesy not to release information that we are expected to read and incorporate over the weekend.

You seem very blasé so I would guess you neither work at a state school nor have children at one & absolutely certainly not in exam years.

Do you understand what excess means?

I do understand what it means, thank you. The reason there are excess deaths are due to the governments/NHS response to Covid by preventing the treatment of anything other than Covid which subsequently led to needless deaths from causes that would otherwise have been successfully treated. A large proportion of Covid deaths are being disputed by families as even being due to Covid therefore one can assume that those death either would have occurred anyway or would have been prevented if the treatment of the actual illness had been carried out had medical provision for everything else not have been scaled back.

I'm not disputing that for some people Covid can have an awful outcome but the way it is being spun in the media etc is doing far more harm.

@MitziK

I suggest each and every school does a survey now to see what technology would be available at home if home learning is required. This way they could be ready to plug gaps quickly. They could then let the DFE know how many children won’t have access to laptops/tablets. Of course one problem may be parents saying they don’t have devices when they do. But this would be better than the local secondary school having to beg secondhand devices from local businesses months down the line when the Government promised laptops had failed to materialise

There’s likely to be some learning from home so schools and parents should get prepared for it

Seriously? You think nobody's thought of that yet? We were doing that in February whilst IT were rebuilding ancient laptops to get them running for kids by March. Still haven't received any government laptops, either.

Please read my other posts about 360children starting yr7 in my DC school and no primary online provision at other DC school.

Penny schools cannot interpret "no rotas" in any other way than not to do rotas.

They CANNOT make their own rules.

They are funded by government and directed by DFe.

How hard is is to grasp 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fair point - we did that as part of the enrollment/transition process. So we already know the access and experience the new Y7s have with online learning.

@noblegiraffe

And pennylane appears to have zero idea about how schools work.

What a shower.

Just expressing an opinion which I am happy to be corrected on. No need for rudeness!

You've been corrected on your patronising posts since 9:20 this morning and don't appear to have taken anything on board, penny.

@pennylane83

Do you understand what excess means?

I do understand what it means, thank you. The reason there are excess deaths are due to the governments/NHS response to Covid by preventing the treatment of anything other than Covid which subsequently led to needless deaths from causes that would otherwise have been successfully treated. A large proportion of Covid deaths are being disputed by families as even being due to Covid therefore one can assume that those death either would have occurred anyway or would have been prevented if the treatment of the actual illness had been carried out had medical provision for everything else not have been scaled back.

I'm not disputing that for some people Covid can have an awful outcome but the way it is being spun in the media etc is doing far more harm.

This is always going to be a bone of contention.

Some people don't find even the 46k+ deaths in 3 months from Covid shocking. Some just shrug and accept it and think to worry is over reaction if media etc.

Others think it was a high price to pay and realise if we don't manage the conditions in society we will have a repeat of this. And of course when hospitals are full again and treatment pushed back even further we will have even more excess non Covid deaths.

You - of course - have every right to be in the former category.

Penny I have seen countless teachers explain this to you over and over on here and you keep responding "yes but, no but..... it's all an over reaction by the media"

If you really want to be educated then people like noble piggy smile and why need to be listened to.

It's people like them that have helped get this guidance which will improve the return to school.

The guidance is in the event of something that may happen in the coming weeks, not days. Plenty of time for teachers to be prepared. Its not rocket science.

I think schools would have been in a very precarious position if they brought in a rota, when it expressly stated no rotas
You only have to look on this thread to know that whatever schools do won't be enough for people with giant school sized chips on their shoulders who are determined to cling onto the 'lazy teachers don't want to work, grow up and get back to business as usual' position.

@tornadoalley some schools are already open in lockdown areas.

And it will be repeated again schools have been asking for a contingency plans from the Government for months

@tornadoalley

The guidance is in the event of something that may happen in the coming weeks, not days. Plenty of time for teachers to be prepared. Its not rocket science.

If it wasn't rocket science why couldn't government do it months ago when asked?

Plus Leicester schools are open. If they get to tier 2 Tuesday?

Our primary haven't done a survey or asked in any way what technology we have, whether we work, whether we have any ability to support home learning, but then they didn't provide any home learning and as far as I can tell have no plans to provide any if they have to close.

@TorysSuckRevokeArticle50, my DC's primary did exactly this, as did the secondary where I work. We provided hard copies for those without the tech. I suggest you take this up with the school concerned rather than presenting it as the norm.

@Morfin

At least this explains why Gav wasn't sacked after the A level fiasco, they were waiting for the school shitshow

I'd laugh if it wasn't so fucking serious.