Racism allegation at work

[Ticklemelmo]

Without outing I know someone that made a genuine mistake at the beginning of the year by putting something unintentionally racist in a work social media group, someone of colour in the group said it wasn't appropriate, and the person I know apologised directly straight away because they didn't realise.
Months later and a week into the BLM coming out they've come back and accused that person and several others of racism in the work place.

I can't speak for the others impacted by the racist allegations, but this person is now going through a disciplinary with a potential of dismissal?

Aibu to think that this is completely unfair? Anyone work in HR who has dealt with this and can give some expection of outcome.

[quote Cadent]@queenofknives for future reference, people 'with lots of black people' in their family tend not use to phrases like "I refuse to accept that everything that happens between people of different races must contain racism and racist power dynamics."[/quote]
I have to disagree with this. I see many black people in various platforms questioning these ideas and being abused massively for their trouble. I'm sure you can imagine the names they're called so I won't go into detail.

[quote Cadent]**@YgritteSnow* I'd be interested to see if @queenofknives* rebukes you for @'tting her [/quote]
I'm not rebuking anyone. It was a request.

@YgritteSnow @ is perfectly fine, the other poster is probably feeling a bit overwhelmed by the attention she's attracted, that's all...

Please don't @ me
@YgritteSnow @'ed you and you thanked her

How else would you like me to address posts to you if I don't name you?

I've seen this "tactic" before on the feminism boards and had it used - if somebody makes a good point, or is disagreeing with them/calling out transphobia in posters, out comes "don't @ me!"
It means you're being aggressive. Apparently. Even though others who agree are allowed to @ all over the place.
Seems its used if racism is being called out or questioned too, interesting!
I'm of the opinion in this thread that how are we supposed to know what the outcome would be from work, without any of us actually being there?
Using "only coming out for BLM" insinuation is from OP and does seem very minimising.
The person in question obviously feels they have been on the end of several racist incidents, and that quite rightly needs looking into.

What’s wrong with @ ?

It is racist now?

Please explain!

But you think "small" offences should be ignored?

No, absolutely not. I've never argued that.

Seems its used if racism is being called out

As on this thread in general just to make clear, not particularly aimed at any poster

@Quaagars very well said. I also find it very arrogant, as if the person they are disagreeing should not have the temerity to @ them. Very bizarre.

@BovaryX

How is drinking the kool aid racist? Its origins are the Jonestown massacre and it refers to cults. It has no racist connotations at all.

Jones had a lot of power and was a white American man in Guyana in S America. Many of his followers still had ties to the US. 918 of his followers killed themselves and many did so unwillingly. People were living in squalid conditions, controlled by starvation, worked to exhaustion and subjected to mind control. Many were forced to kill themselves at gun point. 70% were black and 45% were black women.

Oh I see.
Maybe people could ask Mumsnet to remove the @ button as it’s offensive / it triggers people / makes them cry.

@Ticklemelmo
"I think unfair because they'd apologised, the offended person didn't even respond to the apology so the accused couldn't have done anything else" maybe they shouldn't post racist shit.
Maybe the offended person didn't think apology was genuine.

[quote Cadent]@Quaagars very well said. I also find it very arrogant, as if the person they are disagreeing should not have the temerity to @ them. Very bizarre.[/quote]
Or maybe some people just don't like it and find it ill mannered? Maybe there's no disingenuous intent behind it at all? Just a plain old fashioned difference of opinion and not particularly worth examining and using as an opportunity to undermine a posters overall views.

queenofknives
If you don’t want the @, it is for you to change your setting so you don’t allow it. Not for posters to take note of who and who does not want to be referred to in this way.

@popcornlover

Oh I see. Maybe people could ask Mumsnet to remove the @ button as it’s offensive / it triggers people / makes them cry.

mummy

So what? The phrase drink the kool aid is about blind adherence to a cult. Its about the lethal danger of zero critical thinking. It's not racist. And to claim it is failure to grasp its origins and use.

@Ticklemelmo
"However this sole incident is minor in my opinion"
Your opinion doesn't count

@YgritteSnow

Or maybe some people just don't like it and find it ill mannered? Maybe there's no disingenuous intent behind it at all? Just a plain old fashioned difference of opinion and not particularly worth examining and using as an opportunity to undermine a posters overall views

But you @‘d her and she said thank you. When I did it she told me not to

Hi @YgritteSnow (@'ing as you said you don't mind it!) Yes, I normally don't mind but there seems to be a bit of a pile on to me (for want of a better term) and it's just a bit much! I've pretty much said my piece now and I'm going to drop out of the thread. But I appreciate you speaking up - as you know, any kind of questioning of these newly popular ideas leads to all sorts of accusations. I don't mind to a certain extent because I think people need to hear both sides of the debate, and quite often no one gives 'my' side because of this kind of reaction. Who's got the time for it? Not me, I should have left the house ages ago!

Anyway, as I said, I'm off. I've said my bit for now. I know it's a challenging discussion and I wish all the posters here the best in your fight against racism. Most of us are on the same side, you know!

BovaryX
I know the origins. I just illustrated why some may find it offensive. As a white person, I’m not offended for non white people. But I could understand why some non white people would be.

@Mummyoflittledragon

queenofknives If you don’t want the @, it is for you to change your setting so you don’t allow it. Not for posters to take note of who and who does not want to be referred to in this way.

Ah, thanks. Didn't know we could do that.

It's not unfair. It's up to them to decide when and if to take it further so butt out. And if you're the culprit I hope you face adequate consequences whatever they may be.

But you @‘d her and she said thank you

cos agreed with her, so was a luffly @

When I did it she told me not to
You disagreed, which was norty and very aggressive. Yours was a shouty @

[quote Kaiserin]@YgritteSnow @ is perfectly fine, the other poster is probably feeling a bit overwhelmed by the attention she's attracted, that's all...[/quote]
Yep, that's all it was. My phone going ping ping ping and I was already on the thread! But as someone has let me know, I can change the setting so I don't see the @, so that's fine.

mummy

As a brown person, I am not remotely offended by drink the kool aid. It's a timely reminder of the dangers of cults and the importance of critical thinking. Not group think.

as you know, any kind of questioning of these newly popular ideas

Wow - OK, really?
That says it all about your opinion.
"Newly popular ideas?"
What, not tolerating racism any more in society? Calling it out?
How very dare black people do that!