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What crime stories have you been obsessed by?

598 replies

WomenHour · 27/08/2020 21:43

I was griped by the James Bulger murder 25 years ago

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ilikebooksandplants · 28/08/2020 17:27

Andrew Gosden and the strangeness of a child just going to London and disappearing forever has always stayed with me. I hope his family get closure.

The St.Louis Jane Doe is a horrible, brutal, unsolved murder, and the victim is unidentified. I find that heartbreaking.

Orchidsindoors · 28/08/2020 17:28

Mary Bell. She was a young girl who killed children. When she came out of prison they gave her a new identity. She is still among us.

Spiderbaby8 · 28/08/2020 17:31

I find the JonBenet Ramsey case frustrating in how people go after her brother with really very sketchy evidence and speculation. The whole case is bad in that the police totally messed up the crime scene, had inexperienced officers, messed up the investigation and then threw everything at the parents as there was no decent evidence due to their own incompetence. Even if the parents were involved in some way there isn't enough to say with any conviction what really happened.

wishihadagoodone · 28/08/2020 18:10

I found a good YouTube channel about true crime over lockdown.
American lady called Bailey Sarian does a make up tutorial of sorts while discussing a true crime case. It's an odd mix but it works! I've watched all her videos.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 28/08/2020 18:45

I love Bailey, she's great !

IrmaFayLear · 28/08/2020 18:50

How could the family of Jonbenet Ramsey not have been involved? Frankly the only explanation was that the parents colluded to protect the brother. A spouse wouldn’t lie to protect the other spouse, but they definitely would to protect their child.

PablosHoney · 28/08/2020 19:04

Not obsessed with any but the torture, rape and murder of Christian and Newsome is a harrowing case.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/08/2020 19:13

I watched the Casey Anthony trial play out live, which was a very different experience to seeing unfolding cases reported in the media. It's possible to follow every single piece of evidence put before the jury and every argument offered by the defence. I had it streaming from Orlando constantly as I was working from home at the time, so was able to witness all except the very end of the defence case.

It was a rare and fascinating experience for a British person - possibly the only chance I'll ever have to witness a major trial unfolding in real time - and truly showed up some of the huge differences between the Florida legal system and ours. Some of the evidence permitted in that case would have been thrown straight out of a British court.

I recall the outcry at the not guilty verdict under the Murder 1, Manslaughter and aggravated child abuse indictments. The jurors were threatened and some couldn't return home. The Judge in a later interview agreed with the furious anger of the American public and the likes of Nancy Grace. He believed there was enough evidence to convict Anthony (and I got the sense from his general attitude that he'd have had no qualms at all about imposing the maximum possible penalty). He also polled every individual member of that jury - another practice we're unaccustomed to here - presumably to make them own their decision and allowing them a last chance to change their minds.

I watched the entirety of the prosecution evidence and heard the closing statements from both sides. It's very difficult being dispassionate when it's about the death of a beautiful, innocent two-year-old but 'beyond reasonable doubt' is a heavy burden of proof and it's a juror's job to be dispassionate. 'If the mum didn't kill her, then who did?' is a logical deduction, but it isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt.

If I'd been on that jury I'd have come to the same conclusion they did.

Spiderbaby8 · 28/08/2020 19:57

@IrmaFayLear

How could the family of Jonbenet Ramsey not have been involved? Frankly the only explanation was that the parents colluded to protect the brother. A spouse wouldn’t lie to protect the other spouse, but they definitely would to protect their child.
A parent who wasn't even known to smack her child covered up a head injury by garrotting and sexually assault rather than phone an ambulance? Unless you believe a nine year old did everything, the head injury, sexual assault and garrotte? The boy was sent to a family friend that morning. Police spoke to him that day and he didn't show any indication of knowing what was going on. He was never considered a suspect until someone wanted a new angle to sell a book.

I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that the family were involved but just because a mother might cover for a son is not evidence she did. Evidence was not preserved correctly in this case.

Gobbycop · 28/08/2020 20:07

I've just read about the junko furuta case.

I'm not easily shocked but it doesn't get any worse than that.

Just brutal.

Midsommar · 28/08/2020 20:12

@Gobbycop the Junko Furuta case is absolutely shocking. I read a lot of crime and not easily disturbed but Christ, I couldn't get what they did to her out of my mind for a long time after.

PhilSwagielka · 28/08/2020 20:14

Dunno about obsessed, but I read about Junko Furuta after someone mentioned the case on another forum and I had to go and stare at a wall afterwards. Do NOT look it up unless you have a strong stomach. It is horrific and Wikipedia does not spare the details. Another one was Kelly Anne Bates, which Germaine Greer mentioned in The Whole Woman.

You just wonder what goes through the heads of men who do such horrifying things to women and torture them for days on end rather than just killing them straight up.

SideEyeing · 28/08/2020 20:29

@wishihadagoodone there's another American lady called Stephanie Harlowe who does amazing true crime stuff. She started out with makeup tutorials I think. In my opinion her earlier stuff is really good, amazing coverage of the Caylee Anthony case, Jodi Arias, Moors Murders etc. I find her more recent stuff a bit more "sell a brand" but for depth and research she's one of the best!

SinisterBumFacedCat · 28/08/2020 20:41

The ridiculously short sentences for the specimens who killed poor Junko are disgusting. They should have been locked up for life.

PhilSwagielka · 28/08/2020 20:44

I'm not pro-capital punishment as a whole but when I read about cases like Sylvia Likens, Junko Furuta and Kelly Anne Bates, I do start to wonder if it might not be such a bad thing.

PhilSwagielka · 28/08/2020 20:53

I'd also add that there's one VERY high profile murder case I'm interested in because I used to work as a legal secretary and the firm I worked for represented someone who was wrongly accused of the murder, but I don't want to name names. We did get a few murder cases, I might add. One made one of the partners cry, and she is not a person who cries easily (you can't be in that job).

ZoeTurtle · 28/08/2020 20:59

It's the unsolved ones that always get me climbing down the rabbit hole. Some of the ones already mentioned - Somerton Man, the Isdal Woman, Dan Cooper, Jack the Ripper - and the Boy in the Box, which I don't think has been mentioned.

The Delphi murders stick in my caw because those girls were brave enough and smart enough to get their killer on camera and he's still walking free. Every murder victim deserves justice but god, I especially want it for those girls.

Elderflower14 · 28/08/2020 21:01

We had a murder near us.. The family my bfriend babysat for.. The husband murdered his wife and put her body in the local pubs cesspit... Don't know what happened to him when he was released.

Duckswaddle · 28/08/2020 21:05

RedHanded is a great podcast and covers a lot of the cases mentioned on this thread.

wishihadagoodone · 28/08/2020 21:10

[quote SideEyeing]@wishihadagoodone there's another American lady called Stephanie Harlowe who does amazing true crime stuff. She started out with makeup tutorials I think. In my opinion her earlier stuff is really good, amazing coverage of the Caylee Anthony case, Jodi Arias, Moors Murders etc. I find her more recent stuff a bit more "sell a brand" but for depth and research she's one of the best![/quote]
Ohh I'll be looking her up later!!

(That sounds pretty creepy when I say it out loud!)

tornadoalley · 28/08/2020 21:17

Ted Bundy. Just watching g it on amazon prime, falling for a Killer

nevermorelenore · 28/08/2020 21:18

@IrmaFayLear

How could the family of Jonbenet Ramsey not have been involved? Frankly the only explanation was that the parents colluded to protect the brother. A spouse wouldn’t lie to protect the other spouse, but they definitely would to protect their child.
There's a lot of misinformation around about the case. One of the problems is, when they first discovered she was missing, neighbours and police were in and out the house and vital DNA evidence destroyed. I never got the impression that the family had anything to do with it and felt terribly sorry for the mum who died a few years later.
speakout · 28/08/2020 21:20

Chris Watts- living the American dream and killed his whole family and pregnant wife.

rayoflightboy · 28/08/2020 21:24

Chris Watts is something else.
Watch the bodycam footage of the police going through the home.

Its very eerie.

LioneIRichTea · 28/08/2020 21:34

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bergmann_case

This is a weird one as well.Makes you think why he picked Sligo* @rayoflightboy

Wow that has so many similarities to the Tamam Shud case which I posted earlier in the thread. Even down to the small pieces of paper in their pockets. I really interested in things like this but they frustrate me so much, I don’t think we will ever know!

How did they both end up dying on a beach?! How does NO ONE KNOW THEM?! I don’t understand! There will be someone in the world who recognised or knew them?!

I’m going to have to read both again now argh!