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Or is there something odd about the Speakmans

137 replies

Miga1 · 24/08/2020 14:45

What's the story with the Speakmans? Something doesn't sit right with me... Their "therapy" is miraculously quick at "treating" people with phobias of many years. Today on This Morning they helped a woman with a huge needle phobia which was preventing her getting cancer treatment. The female Speakman commented on how long the treatment was taking and then mentioned it had been a whole "4 hours." Just doesn't seem right and they both look like I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand car from them...

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DollyPartons · 24/08/2020 17:53

They're not doing any harm are they. Live and let live f.g.s !

HDDD · 24/08/2020 17:53

I wouldn't buy a used car off them let alone trust them with my mind

Margay · 24/08/2020 17:54

@JonHammIsMyJamm the BACP are a membership body, not a regulatory body. Plenty of excellent therapists are not BACP members.

Yogurtflavours · 24/08/2020 17:58

@Fromadistance1

They remind me of the sort of couple that you would have met in a bar in Benidorm during the 80s.
I'd never heard of them until about ten minutes ago, but they look like cheesy holiday camp entertainers. If you'd shown me a photo of them without any context, I'd have assumed they worked at Butlins or something.
Happygirl79 · 24/08/2020 17:59

Pleased its not just me that thinks they are very odd
I wouldn't trust them

Thecobwebsarewinning · 24/08/2020 18:01

I’m a highly qualified counsellor and psychotherapist and I think they are amazing. I wish I could help my clients make positive changes as effectively and speedily as the Speakmans do. If ever they offer training in their techniques I will be first in the queue.

And as for their looks - no one should be picking a therapist based on their appearance!

Yogurtflavours · 24/08/2020 18:06

And as for their looks - no one should be picking a therapist based on their appearance!

If I'm looking for someone as personal as a therapist, of course I'm gonna judge them by their appearance. I used to go, and mine used to dress in a very neutral, average, boring manner, and I'm sure that was deliberate so she could be a blank slate. No way would I choose someone who looked like a used car salesman. It matters.

Dita73 · 24/08/2020 18:10

Ironically I have a phobia of The Speakmans. They scare the shit out of me

EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 24/08/2020 18:12

I think this is a bit mean really! They are therapists that help people change their lives for the better, and you're all saying you're suspicious and they're weird! Why exactly?

JonHammIsMyJamm · 24/08/2020 18:13

Apologies, @Margay. Who is the regulatory body for the profession? I’d still be looking for someone affiliated with BACP and using it as a laypersons guide. Members have to adhere to a code of practice and ethics. Someone with a BPS recognised qualification would be a good start too.

EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 24/08/2020 18:14

Actually reading some of these comments they are just plain nasty!

JonHammIsMyJamm · 24/08/2020 18:16

Because it comes across as a fairground sideshow performance, rather than a serious clinical approach, @EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide. It’s all a bit Derren Brown for me.

Yogurtflavours · 24/08/2020 18:16

@EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide

I think this is a bit mean really! They are therapists that help people change their lives for the better, and you're all saying you're suspicious and they're weird! Why exactly?
Why would I go to therapy with someone who made me feel uncomfortable? I need someone who would put me at ease.
Norabird · 24/08/2020 18:19

Yes, they look odd but that is not the most off putting thing about them by far.

It seems to be what most people here are judging them on.

Margay · 24/08/2020 18:20

There isn’t a regulatory body for counsellors, @JonHammIsMyJamm.

However, several membership bodies have signed up with the PSA accredited register, for example the National Counselling Society and UKCP. These bodies also have codes of practice and ethics similar to the BACP Ethical Statement. You can find a list here: www.professionalstandards.org.uk/what-we-do/accredited-registers/find-a-register

EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 24/08/2020 18:21

@yogurtflavours anyone judging anyone on their appearance is out of order.

JonHammIsMyJamm · 24/08/2020 18:22

Thanks, @Margay Smile

Margay · 24/08/2020 18:24

You’re welcome, @JonHammIsMyJamm 🙂

Yogurtflavours · 24/08/2020 18:25

[quote EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide]@yogurtflavours anyone judging anyone on their appearance is out of order. [/quote]
@EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide When you have a job, you're supposed to look appropriate for work.

YouokHun · 24/08/2020 18:28

It's not hypnosis, psychotherapy or flooding - it's EMDR

No the Speakmans do not do EMDR. As others have said this is a well evidenced approach used mainly to treat trauma. It’s used in the NHS, for example at the Maudsley where they also use Trauma Focussed CBT and Compassion focussed therapy with people who have suffered serious multiple trauma. Those therapeutic approaches are delivered by post graduate trained (as a minimum), accredited and supervised clinicians who must continue to demonstrate adherence to an evidence base and continuous training and reaccreditation.

As for the Speakmans, none of the above is true for them. It’s so easy to handpick your subjects, capture a moment of progress and then what? Those of us working as psychotherapists treat whoever comes through our door. We are trained not just to do our work but to recognise our own limitations and to confer with more experienced colleagues or refer on. What concerns me is that there are so many ‘therapists’ out there like the Speakmans who do not know their limitations and who can do some real damage to people Who may already be extremely vulnerable. This damage can be done however well meaning the therapists are, and I think the Speakmans probably are well meaning.

I gather they’ve been “testing” their “Schema Focussed Therapy” (a combination of Schema Therapy and CBT I think) against EMDR. Fine, but one trial an evidence based does not make. They want to trial it against CBT but that is a colossal undertaking as CBT’s evidence based has been built from the 1960s onwards. Of course no therapy is perfect and it’s only as good as the clinician delivering it and the therapeutic relationship but at least we understand its pluses and minuses and its disorder specific use for all sorts of anxiety disorders such as OCD, health anxiety and Panic.

The Speakmans are not furthering their cause by talk of “cure” and implying instant results. There are all sorts of variables at play when someone is on national TV being confronted by their fear which may not translate into their everyday life. Perhaps there is a huge amount of work going on backstage for weeks either side of the TV appearance; if so we need to know this. Phobias are some of the easiest problems to treat but what of the Speakmans’ approach to depression, OCD, Social Anxiety or someone with a mental health diagnosis?

If their approach can be shown to work consistently across many disorders among a diverse population etc etc then good on them.

@Alison421e for a phobia you really are best off with CBT. You can look on the www.cbtregisteruk.com/ for properly BABCP accredited CBT Therapists working privately or you can ask for a referral to IAPT from your GP or self refer once you find your local IAPT service via a search engine, but you will find at the moment most Therapy is being delivered on line (not necessarily a problem).

Derekhello · 24/08/2020 18:30

I like them although they do kind of resemble a magician and his assistant. 🐇 🎩

supersop60 · 24/08/2020 18:40

@Littlepond

I thought exactly the same about the 4 hours! I’ve never seen them before but it was very annoying how their advice to everyone was the same “no one is born with a phobia” ...
The fact that no-one is born with a phobia is true. It's a learned behaviour, so it can be un-learned. That's about the only thing I agree with, however. And yes, something is a bit dodgy about them.
Roselilly36 · 24/08/2020 18:40

If they are helping people cure phobias that are ruining their lives, do we need to understand it? From what I have seen on TV they genuinely seem to care.

vanillandhoney · 24/08/2020 18:42

[quote EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide]@yogurtflavours anyone judging anyone on their appearance is out of order. [/quote]
Everyone judges on appearance. It's human nature.

Acting on those judgements is a different matter entirely.