Media blackout on marches happening today

[orangesnapples]

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

Isn't the whole "Save our Children" thing linked to a lol of conspiracy theory stuff? The people I've seen using that hashtag are also sharing Wayfair and Pizzagate conspiracy theories

That was my first thought too Bilbo.

It's not that people in power can't get away with it. We know they have. Prince Andrew is an example of that. It's because of the ridiculous bullshit about drinking blood and so on, and how it's a bit convenient that all the supposed traffickers and paedophiles are enemies of Trump.

I was invited to a national FB page for this. I haven’t joined but the stuff comes up on my newsfeed and some of the racist and conspiracy crap is jaw dropping. Certain celebrities that are apparently having people killed, the name of LOL dolls stands for Lucifer Our Lord, countless posts by people apparently constantly in tears now they have “woken up”, Trump is the only one who cares - no facts or figures seem to be discussed at all. Loads of threads with people just repeating save our children. It’s a bit cult like.

@canigooutyet literally neither of those links are about cannabis farms staffed by child slaves or brothels full of children. Surely if these things exist or are common then there would be at least one single solitary example in the news media. I mean imagine how exciting it would be- police leading all those poor children blinking into the light. The news media would absolutely lose their shit. It would be on the front page of every newspaper. But it’s not, because it’s not true. There are some trafficked children, usually they come along with their parents. Or maybe they’re older teenagers so the statistics see them as children while the media (and our government) do everything possible to paint them as adults and as criminals. But there aren’t truckloads of unaccompanied little children being shipped around the world as slaves. It’s just nonsensical- it would be massively more trouble than it could possibly be worth. It’s a weird horrific fantasy and I question why you’re so attached to it.

[quote lookatallthosechickens]@canigooutyet literally neither of those links are about cannabis farms staffed by child slaves or brothels full of children. Surely if these things exist or are common then there would be at least one single solitary example in the news media. I mean imagine how exciting it would be- police leading all those poor children blinking into the light. The news media would absolutely lose their shit. It would be on the front page of every newspaper. But it’s not, because it’s not true. There are some trafficked children, usually they come along with their parents. Or maybe they’re older teenagers so the statistics see them as children while the media (and our government) do everything possible to paint them as adults and as criminals. But there aren’t truckloads of unaccompanied little children being shipped around the world as slaves. It’s just nonsensical- it would be massively more trouble than it could possibly be worth. It’s a weird horrific fantasy and I question why you’re so attached to it.[/quote]
I suggest you go back and re-read the last two links I posted because you clearly either didn't bother to read or comprehend the information.

Or do you think that child sexual abuse only happens in brothels? Did you miss the forced prostitution bit.
Do you even understand what sexual exploitation is?

MYTH: All human trafficking involves sex or prostitution

FACT: Human trafficking can include forced labor, domestic servitude, organ trafficking, debt bondage, recruitment of children as child soldiers, and/or sex trafficking and forced prostitution.

What is child trafficking?
Trafficking is where children and young people tricked, forced or persuaded to leave their homes and are moved or transported and then exploited, forced to work or sold. Children are trafficked for:

sexual exploitation
benefit fraud
forced marriage
domestic slavery like cleaning, cooking and childcare
forced labour in factories or agriculture
committing crimes, like begging, theft, working on cannabis farms or moving drugs.
Trafficked children experience many types of abuse and neglect. Traffickers use physical, sexual and emotional abuse as a form of control. Children and young people are also likely to be physically and emotionally neglected and may be sexually exploited.

So 10.1 million children haven't been trafficked? Do you think that figure is another fantasy of mine?

I question the logic of anyone who is so blase about children being victims of crime.

And here is some of many many many news articles about weed farms

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50141921

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-cannabis-cultivation-marijuana-farm-vietnamese-minors-children-short-film-a7999426.html

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-crime-slavery/discovery-of-london-cannabis-farms-raises-child-slavery-fears-idUSKCN1L51TT

Two cannabis farms were recently uncovered near me. One I used to walk by nearly every day.
One had a 19 year old and one a 22 year old ‘staffing’ them.
Both had been trafficked
Shocking yes, upsetting of course, but neither of them are children.

[quote lookatallthosechickens]@canigooutyet literally neither of those links are about cannabis farms staffed by child slaves or brothels full of children. Surely if these things exist or are common then there would be at least one single solitary example in the news media. I mean imagine how exciting it would be- police leading all those poor children blinking into the light. The news media would absolutely lose their shit. It would be on the front page of every newspaper. But it’s not, because it’s not true. There are some trafficked children, usually they come along with their parents. Or maybe they’re older teenagers so the statistics see them as children while the media (and our government) do everything possible to paint them as adults and as criminals. But there aren’t truckloads of unaccompanied little children being shipped around the world as slaves. It’s just nonsensical- it would be massively more trouble than it could possibly be worth. It’s a weird horrific fantasy and I question why you’re so attached to it.[/quote]
There are loads of reports of trafficked child slaves on cannabis farms.

You could find them easily if you wanted to

Some cannabis smokers simply dont give a stuff that their product is produced by slave labour

And they pretend not to believe it to cover up the fact that they simply don’t care

@canigooutyet

Where did Clive say that under 8's were more at risk than other groups *@dwiz8* As they correctly pointed out, many people come into the country without documentation. The HO try and "age" the person.

It's also not less than 4%. It is 4% which is far too many regardless how minor the risk is to this group surely?

He said clearly 'young' children in a previous comment

The Slave trade has existed as long as there has been international trade
child trafficking is a minority interest
as most slavery is about workers

focus on the money not the age of the victims

Whether he said 8 or young children, care to show which post Clive posted that age group was more at risk?

@canigooutyet

Whether he said 8 or young children, care to show which post Clive posted that age group was more at risk?

Nope

The stats break it down as under 8, 9-18 etc.

Clive said young children are at more risk

Which is not true

Young children are the lowest risk

If anyone wants to read more about how misguided these marches are this might help:

www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/technology/qanon-save-the-children-trafficking.html

I really think that this is one of those "it's all fun, till it's not" situations. This group of conspiracy theorists were hilarious until they gained traction in the world outside of 8chan. About 20 of them may well become part of the US congress soon. That's a scary thought and I'm staggered that it is actually happening in the real world.

I have gone back and read all Clives posts since I asked originally where Clive posted 8 year old/young children are more at risk. I still don't see where this was posted as claimed. 4% is still too high though don't you think for that age group?

Not weird at all. Most marches are not covered by the media. There are matches and demos of some kind most days. Few are newsworthy

Totally untrue. Thousands are trafficked for the sex trade and the cannabis trade. This is why legalising cannabis would never work. No way could a legally produced product compete in price with one produced by slaves

Wrong again. Many hundreds of white British are trafficked as slave labour in the sex and drugs trades.

I am getting increasingly concerned about the ignorance shown on this thread

I am a foster after. I have cared for many children trafficked into slave labour. It’s complete rubbish to say it’s rare. It’s thousands. But what makes you think such children can ever be classed as above or below 8? No records, no birth certificate, no name in many cases. They are issued an ‘official’ date of birth by the home office, so the home office decides to only issue dates that would make the children over 8. Then they use their own figures as proof that the uk has no slaves under 8. Again this thread is showing appalling ignorance. But anyway. even one or two would be too many.

Of course children are trafficked in huge numbers. It’s shocking that so many people on this site don’t know that

I’ll disagree all I like. I am giving you facts. You have not backed up anything you say at all. Unless you count your random ignorant statements as ‘backing up what you say with facts’ which indicates you have no idea what backing up means and you certainly have no idea what the facts are

British child slavery is an area I work in, as a foster carer and as a school integration manager. But I agree these demonstration are nothing to bother about reporting. Not newsworthy and not relevant.

I am really concerned about what is happening here.

Here are the facts as far as I understand them:

QAnon is an insane conspiracy theory.

Elite paedophile rings are real and involve people conspiring (Epstein, Saville).

About 50% of all trafficked people are minors and about 70% are women and girls. I don’t have great knowledge about this here’s the Wikipedia link.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

I am really troubled that this is yet another issue which is going to turn into accusing anyone who raises concerns about women and children as being a right wing lunatic.

QAnon are listed in the USA as a domestic terror threat. These marches are troubling. But that doesn’t make people responding by minimising child trafficking or turning it into a left/right culture war anything other than abhorrent and inappropriate.

@Stripesgalore

I am really concerned about what is happening here.

Here are the facts as far as I understand them:

QAnon is an insane conspiracy theory.

Elite paedophile rings are real and involve people conspiring (Epstein, Saville).

About 50% of all trafficked people are minors and about 70% are women and girls. I don’t have great knowledge about this here’s the Wikipedia link.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

I am really troubled that this is yet another issue which is going to turn into accusing anyone who raises concerns about women and children as being a right wing lunatic.

QAnon are listed in the USA as a domestic terror threat. These marches are troubling. But that doesn’t make people responding by minimising child trafficking or turning it into a left/right culture war anything other than abhorrent and inappropriate.

For the millionth time

No one is minimizing human trafficking

It's dealt with as seriously as other crimes

Those marching think execs from wayfair are kidnapping children and selling them in wardrobes on their website

That's the issue

@canigooutyet

I have gone back and read all Clives posts since I asked originally where Clive posted 8 year old/young children are more at risk. I still don't see where this was posted as claimed. 4% is still too high though don't you think for that age group?

Not weird at all. Most marches are not covered by the media. There are matches and demos of some kind most days. Few are newsworthy

Totally untrue. Thousands are trafficked for the sex trade and the cannabis trade. This is why legalising cannabis would never work. No way could a legally produced product compete in price with one produced by slaves

Wrong again. Many hundreds of white British are trafficked as slave labour in the sex and drugs trades.

I am getting increasingly concerned about the ignorance shown on this thread

I am a foster after. I have cared for many children trafficked into slave labour. It’s complete rubbish to say it’s rare. It’s thousands. But what makes you think such children can ever be classed as above or below 8? No records, no birth certificate, no name in many cases. They are issued an ‘official’ date of birth by the home office, so the home office decides to only issue dates that would make the children over 8. Then they use their own figures as proof that the uk has no slaves under 8. Again this thread is showing appalling ignorance. But anyway. even one or two would be too many.

Of course children are trafficked in huge numbers. It’s shocking that so many people on this site don’t know that

I’ll disagree all I like. I am giving you facts. You have not backed up anything you say at all. Unless you count your random ignorant statements as ‘backing up what you say with facts’ which indicates you have no idea what backing up means and you certainly have no idea what the facts are

British child slavery is an area I work in, as a foster carer and as a school integration manager. But I agree these demonstration are nothing to bother about reporting. Not newsworthy and not relevant.

I never said Clive mentioned 8 year olds

Clive mentioned young children being at risk

The stats available are broken down as under 8 and then 9-18

I wouldn't consider 8+ as young children
Nor do multiple crime agencies

Therefore I was replying as such

'Young' children are actually the least at risk age group (except elderly people)

Why not march to demand protection for women aged 20-35 as those are at a much higher risk but of course they're not being sold in wayfair wardrobes

It shouldn't be a right/left issue but unfortunately, Trump and Tommy Robinson's fanclubs have made it so.

Trump has separated immigrant children from their families and put them in detention camps

Some of these children have been neglected or abused in detention;
a few children, too young to know their family names, have even been "lost" in the system

Save The Children .... from Trump
but abuse of immigrant children doesn't matter to QAnon;
their purpose is to invent wild conspiracies against Trump's opponents

To recap your memory @dwiz8

Clive222

I am a foster after. I have cared for many children trafficked into slave labour. It’s complete rubbish to say it’s rare. It’s thousands. But what makes you think such children can ever be classed as above or below 8? No records, no birth certificate, no name in many cases. They are issued an ‘official’ date of birth by the home office, so the home office decides to only issue dates that would make the children over 8. Then they use their own figures as proof that the uk has no slaves under 8. Again this thread is showing appalling ignorance. But anyway. even one or two would be too many.

You
It's not ignorance

It's basic data from home office and various charity websites who help those who are victims of human trafficking

Less than 4% of all trafficking victims are 'young' children under 8

They are the least at risk group

I then asked
Where did Clive say that under 8's were more at risk than other groups @dwiz8 which you haven't actually answered.

When marches are allowed I'm sure the marches and other campaigns about adult victims will also be resumed.

I am not saying I agree with todays marches before anyone tries to twists my words. I haven't even got a clue what today's marches actually stood for considering the lack of pr.

I just don't agree with the narrative that the UK doesn't have a serious issue with trafficking of children.

And isn't it strange despite all these claims it doesn't happen here or is very rare, no-one has produced anything to back this up. No-one has provided links to these mythical figures.

I have a couple of friends deep into the cultish/conspiracy theory of this. The moment they started shouting Trump’s praises and claiming he’s solving the situation was the moment that broke me. I honestly don’t understand how deluded some people can be.

People on this thread are minimising child trafficking.

Globally and legally it is treated far more seriously than many other crimes, as it should be.

Pointing at other people and saying well, they started it, isn’t a good reason to participate in a left/right culture war over a serious issue.

Many conspiracy theorists have schizophrenia or other serious mental health issues. It is not impressive or constructive to debate with them.

I forget, has Trump achieved anything thats been a success for the general population over there?

Also, given his remarks about women, and given how many trafficking victims are women and girls, again - why on earth would Trump be the poster boy for an anti-trafficking movement?