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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 22:21

Gav IS shit but at least he’s not Shapps. Or Cummings

I want Kier to be in charge.

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 22:23

@Piggywaspushed

I do sometimes pine after Cameron and Clegg. Is there a shame emoji?
Is that in the same way that Trump made George W Bush look competent by comparison?
Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 22:24

Oh God. I do staff.Please don't.It gives me heartburn and anxiety.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 22:25

I'd take most people above our current choice!

I like the website "they work for us"

I'd gives excellent voting records etc and you can see exactly where your MP sits and in my case predict which emails will be ignored or not!

My guesstimate doesn't far has been 100% correct.

But because I email through they work for us you also get an email asking if you've had a response etc.

Someone on MN introduced me to it

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 22:28

My brown-nosing Tory MP who is playing the pick-me dance for even the smallest cabinet role has never voted against the government but does reply to emails. I might email him my list.

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itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 22:32

@noblegiraffe

My brown-nosing Tory MP who is playing the pick-me dance for even the smallest cabinet role has never voted against the government but does reply to emails. I might email him my list.
Worth a try.

I think you should email it to the bbc as well!

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 22:33

noble

Are you on Twitter? I recon your 31 points as a thread would get picked up by EduTwitter.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 22:35

@SmileEachDay

noble

Are you on Twitter? I recon your 31 points as a thread would get picked up by EduTwitter.

Good idea. I'm not on twitter so could you link here if you did?
SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 22:38

*reckon obvs

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 22:39

I’ve never tweeted anything so no followers and no clue how to do it.

Anyone on here with followers is welcome to it!

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KenDodd · 21/08/2020 23:21

Oh, bless, look. 11% of voters think this government gives a shit about the country's kids. I bet they believe they care about the NHS as well (despite Cummings publicly saying they don't).

colouringindoors · 21/08/2020 23:40

Latest research shows that children carry just as high a viral load as adukts and while they msy have milder symptoms, are just as likely to spread it.

This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
colouringindoors · 21/08/2020 23:40

and

This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
Heffalooomia · 21/08/2020 23:44

@colouringindoors

Latest research shows that children carry just as high a viral load as adukts and while they msy have milder symptoms, are just as likely to spread it.
We just have to accept it then ...we are f*** 🤷🏼‍♀️
SaltyAndFresh · 21/08/2020 23:54

@askmehowiknow

Plus posts saying working parents are lazy, goading they need a 'plan b', school isn't childcare, saying that kids don't 'deserve' an education (yesterday), sneering at other posters, who support children's right to education, suggesting kids are unclean.

The unions released a joint statement in June saying schools should not fully reopen. A lot of kids were kept at home until September.

It makes me wonder if some teachers also don't give a shit about kids or schools..,

Fuck you. There, I bit. It was me who said parents need a Plan B. They do because the government hasn't got one. I did not remotely say that working parents are lazy (I am one, idiot). Don't tell me I don't give a shit about the children I teach. I do and I also give a shit about my own children who need me to be well.
TammyTwoSawnson · 22/08/2020 00:05

I'm so glad to see other people have the same concerns. On my Facebook, all I see is "the kids need to get back to normal/we have to live our lives".

BelleSausage · 22/08/2020 07:13

I see the U4T contingent has turned up.

waves how’s life in the hive mind? We are all here discussing how to safeguard your child’s education while you howl and other teachers and parents for being traitors.

Honestly, all you have to do these days is mutter the words ‘school’ and ‘social distancing’ and they apparate from which ever Facebook page they lurk on.

You won. You enabled a shit government to do a shit job for kids. Give yourselves a pat on the back and go away.

Iamnotthe1 · 22/08/2020 07:27

You enabled a shit government to do a shit job for kids.

Speaking of shit jobs, local lockdowns have had to increase both in quantity and severity. Whatever the Government put in place in the first round of local lockdowns was clearly ineffective as cases are continuing to rise.

BelleSausage · 22/08/2020 07:29

@Iamnotthe1

Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer to this one. Is it because they didn’t actually close anything and it wasn’t really a lockdown they just suggested people didn’t socialise outside of their bubble.

Because of course everyone is a totally responsible citizen and always listens to the (shit) government.

itsgettingweird · 22/08/2020 07:35

@Iamnotthe1

You enabled a shit government to do a shit job for kids.

Speaking of shit jobs, local lockdowns have had to increase both in quantity and severity. Whatever the Government put in place in the first round of local lockdowns was clearly ineffective as cases are continuing to rise.

I read an interesting article yesterday in MSM.

Therefore as a disclaimer I admit it may have been bias and/or littered with inaccuracies!

But it was about Oldham. Explained about how it was easy to see why despite lockdown cases rose before and are remaining high.

It went into town centre and said distinct lack of signage, worn off stickers form the floor, lack of one way system etc.

It made me think of the local towns to me where it's very well organised.

Ok, some people moan as it's a lot for flu or a hoax Wink the odd person will be oblivious (or worse just ignore) and go the wrong way. And town is certainly (sadly) much quieter than usual.

It made me think again though about funding and different areas based on economics.

I thought that there should have been national signage that government provided and a national set up. You can go out to eat and gov pay £50 per family.

But actual public health messaging, safety etc - there's no budget for that Hmm

Iamnotthe1 · 22/08/2020 07:43

@BelleSausage
Bonus points for you!

@itsgettingweird
You'd be forgiven for thinking that the Government only finds money for the things they want rather than the things they need.

In related news, the rate of cases in the council region that I teach in is now at 1 per 1900 people. It's a good job that secondary schools don't have anywhere near that number of people through their doors every day. Oh... wait...

What happened to driving community transmission levels so low that the risk was negligible?

noblegiraffe · 22/08/2020 09:07

Meanwhile the Daily Mail runs another teacher union bashing article suggesting that there is a battle of biblical proportions going on to re-open schools, with the government bravely facing off against the attempts of militants to foil their plans.

And teachers - all members of these teaching unions - say ‘what the actual fuck is the Daily Mail on about?’ as they get on with the job of planning for re-opening fully in September. There are no plans in motion to stop schools re-opening. No strikes in the offing, no ballots on the agenda.

And yet we can see from this thread and others that there are people believing this nonsense.

The government should not be letting the media give the public the impression that school opening is on a knife-edge. It’s creating worry and uncertainty at a time when we need confidence and leadership and presents teachers as an enemy of parents when we really need to work together.

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SmileEachDay · 22/08/2020 09:20

The government should not be letting the media

I think it’s probably more active than that - blaming teachers and unions is a deliberate choice by the government.

noblegiraffe · 22/08/2020 10:11

That’s true, Smile, they are a source of these stories.

Boris Johnson, who has spent his life abandoning his own children, lecturing teachers in a piece in the Daily Mail about their moral duty towards the nation’s children was a particular low.

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itsgettingweird · 22/08/2020 10:48

@SmileEachDay

The government should not be letting the media

I think it’s probably more active than that - blaming teachers and unions is a deliberate choice by the government.

True.

And the thing is we know that despite campaigning for safer opening and a better plan b for continuous education and parity - teachers will still return in September and provide a full curriculum. They will face those risks anyway despite wanting them lowered.
They will be professional and not complain to parents.

Then you'll get more parents on here saying "I didn't know the situations in schools was so bad as my child's teacher isn't tell me"

Yet still any issues and it's the teachers professionalism called into account.

I'm not a teacher (just work in education) - and I certainly wouldn't want to be one!

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