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People coming into garden and driveway (new build estate)

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MyUserName77 · 17/08/2020 16:26

Hi
Moved into a new build at the end of last year.
The estate is 'open plan' in that there are no pavements as such, the driveways are at the same level as the roads (no kerbs) and the front gardens are open plan with no hedges/walls, leading straight out onto the road.
We live in a detached house on a corner, it is clear that the area in front of our house is a private driveway, the drives are all monoblocked in a different coloured brick from the road.
There is a detached house next door but because of the design of the estate, our front lawns join together with no division between them (ie it is a large expanse of grass which goes straight across the front of both of our houses), there is no dividing wall or trees etc.
We were told when we moved in that due to 'covenants' we would not be permitted to change the look of the front of the house by building walls or planting hedges etc, so as to keep the estate looking uniform (I suspect at least until work is finished on the estate which might be at least another 2 years). It is clear however, that they own the part in front of their house, and we own the part in front of our house. There is a lamp-post in the road that is exactly halfway between our houses so this is the kind of 'line' that we have always taken to be where our garden ends and theirs begins.
They are having work done in their back garden just now, and have their driveway full of landscaping equipment and materials which is fine, however, it means that the vans/trucks that the builders are using cant be parked in their driveway. For some reason, they have decided to park right in front of our front garden, not in front of the neighbours house? Which now means that the builders are trekking wheelbarrow loads of rubble etc across my front garden in order to be able to get to their truck to dump it! So saving the neighbours front lawn but wrecking mine. There's no reason they can't park 5 metres down in front of the neighbours garden. They've also left tools and equipment on my front lawn and are constantly walking across my front garden in front of my living room window, so much that I've had to shut my blinds.
I am on my own just now and don't feel comfortable going out to talk to them as there are about 6 of them, using very loud and bad language and they are pretty intimidating.
Would I be unreasonable to get my DH to park his car in front of our garden tomorrow instead of the driveway, so that they can't park there for the remainder of the garden work? After only 1 half day of work (in the rain) my front lawn has tracks of wheelbarrow and skid marks all over it. I think they think that because there is no real division of the lawns that they have the right to trek anywhere they want. I have spent a lot of time and effort making my garden look nice and I don't want it ruined.

The builders (not to mention other neighbours in the road) also used our own driveway to reverse into to turn their truck when they left. Other people do it all the time as we are on a kind of corner and they like to reverse into their own drives which means them driving into ours so that they can get turned. When our car is not parked there, they actually reverse right up into our driveway fully to the front of the house! It's very annoying as our driveway is getting a lot of traffic and I'm worried the monoblocking will show wear and tear much sooner than it should due to all the people using it. I don't know how to stop it as we are not allowed to 'change the estate' by putting up walls or gates etc. We have even had people drive across the end of our front lawn and ruin the grass as they have been so close when they are turning their cars.

Don't know what my AIBU is but I just wanted to rant. Wondering how I can get around restrictive covenants by somehow dividing the front lawns in a non permanant way. And keep people out of our driveway,
Anyone else on a stupid new build estate dealing with similar issues?

OP posts:
YorkshireTeaIsTheBest · 17/08/2020 17:57

@Redhair23

That would really annoy me- could you put plant pots out as a temporary boundary? The neighbours should be preventing this in the first place.
This is what I would do -plant pots half way down and park in front of my own house
hopeishere · 17/08/2020 17:57

Agree with putting planters down the divide. As long as the grass is not communal.

AiryFairyArtyFarty · 17/08/2020 17:58

if its a new estate and they are still building have they got a management team running it
get them to sort it out

ilovesushi · 17/08/2020 17:59

We have a similar set up and I love how the gardens on our street are mainly open plan. It works because everyone is very respectful of each other's property but also very tolerant of each other. My kids sometimes take a (very mini) short cut over the corner of the neighbours lawn and I always pull them up on it. I would hate to be a nuisance to our very lovely neighbours. I would definitely have words and set a few ground rules.

Notredamn · 17/08/2020 17:59

Do you really think neighbours and builders cheekyfuckerish enough to blindly carry on as they will take a blind bit of notice to a few scrubs or pebbles? It's obvious to them that they're taking the piss. All you have to do is make sure they know you've noted it and that you mind, and tell them to stop.

ThePawtriarchy · 17/08/2020 18:01

If I was your neighbour I would have noticed this and be mortified - and addressed it. So I’m wondering why they haven’t.

BluePheasant · 17/08/2020 18:01

Planters down the diving line is a really good idea.

Definitely make it clear tomorrow that they are not to do this. I would park a car in that spot if possible and leave things lying around on the lawn that block any obvious walk throughs they might take. Need to have a word with the neighbour as well and ask them to speak to their builders.

BluePheasant · 17/08/2020 18:01

*dividing

Devlesko · 17/08/2020 18:04

God I couldn't live somewhere like that. Looks like you're stuck with it if you can't change the front.
Why live somewhere with rules, sounds like a prison.
Move OP, pretty quickly Grin

IsaLain · 17/08/2020 18:05

Put planter along the grass on your side of the boundary, and along the grass at the end of the front garden (but not actually on or too near the road). Thide arent permanent.

Put a bollard on your driveway. It's a bit of a hassle but will be quick to fit and make sure it's on your drive, not the road. Will be annoying at the start with having to remember to put it up when you leave and down when you get home but you'll get used to it.

Darkestseasonofall · 17/08/2020 18:05

Has the world really come to this, you'll stand by whilst people trash your lawn and post about it on an Internet forum, rather than go out and say "you're ruining my lawn, please stop walking on it, or leaving anything on it". I genuinely can't fathom this at all.

PeacefulPlease · 17/08/2020 18:06

Park car next to your lawn and put big stones, plant pots or similar on edge of grass. Also have plant pots (long window box shape maybe?) to put on edge of drive...it’ll mean you’ll have to move them before you park etc which is a bit of a kerfuffle but will deter anyone from using it as a place to turn

ThePawtriarchy · 17/08/2020 18:08

@Darkestseasonofall

Has the world really come to this, you'll stand by whilst people trash your lawn and post about it on an Internet forum, rather than go out and say "you're ruining my lawn, please stop walking on it, or leaving anything on it". I genuinely can't fathom this at all.
Has the world really come to people asking other people for advice on a situation they find difficult? It’s not unusual to find conflict hard, I think it’s pretty obvious that people have differing tolerance for it.
1forAll74 · 17/08/2020 18:16

Speak to builders or neighbours, ! its the only thing to do.

ohffs66 · 17/08/2020 18:18

We have similar issues on our estate. The two neighbours whose drives are used as turning spots have put up things to stop people doing it...one has gone for a (stolen?!) traffic cone at the end of his drive, the other has built a contraption that reminds me of a horse jump that goes across his! Posties and leafleters are always walking over the gardens. I'd just go out and tell the builders to stop it tbh, they may just not be thinking. I had to have a word with next doors workmen a while ago about the noise they were making in the gardem by shouting and having the radio up full blast and tbf they quietened right down straight away.

LightgreenBanana · 17/08/2020 18:22

£20 bullhorn on Amazon, andIm not joking. Make neighbours pay for return too, or the site office.
We were the first house to be lived in, by months, on our cul de sac of 9 houses.
I worked from home on a Wednesday, and went out every Wednesday to ask people if I could help them, when they parked on my driveway, several times, every Wednesday

LightgreenBanana · 17/08/2020 18:23

Re-turf *

Slippy78 · 17/08/2020 18:23

Just go out and tell them to stop.

LightgreenBanana · 17/08/2020 18:23

Other neighbours, as previous poster also put th8ngs on their drives to prevent turning cars

LightgreenBanana · 17/08/2020 18:24

Unless you’ve lived on anew build, you won’t have any idea if the astonishing thing's people do

LightgreenBanana · 17/08/2020 18:25

Apologies, bad day, and poor typing

1WildTeaParty · 17/08/2020 18:35

Picnic table - chairs - umbrella in your front garden?

(Great British tradition of eating out in the rain :) )

Delivery of manure heap? (Might be a home-goal!)

Shedbuilder · 17/08/2020 18:35

I would have been nervous about saying something when I was younger, but now I'm approaching the big 60 I'd just go out and have a firm word with the builders, and probably with the neighbours too. Don't be apologetic about it. An 'Oi, get off my garden and take all your stuff with you' is what's needed.

Putting out little sticks and string and planters is passive aggressive and looks petty and will just wind the neighbours up. Approaching them like an adult and asking them and their builders to show some respect for you and your property is the place to start.

I know it's a cliche but I do think good boundaries make good neighbours and no matter how attractive the open-plan look is, I'd never purchase a property where the boundaries weren't clearly and where I wasn't able to defend them. Open plan is a nice idea but it always means the bullies and the CFs abuse the situation.

FannyFernackerpan · 17/08/2020 18:37

Just the mere fact alone that they are using your driveway to reverse/ turn around would drive me insane.

I live in a slip road (off a main road) which is only single lane traffic wide, so whichever way you drive in, you have to drive the opposite way out, unless you have your own driveway which not all the houses have.

I live in a terrace of four and two of us have driveways, the other two not, but they have spots in a designated car parking area at the end of the terrace, which we don't.

Instead they prefer to park in front of their houses and use my driveway to reverse into to change direction so they can drive out of the slip road the way they drove in. It used to drive me insane. The absolute bloody nerve of it, driving onto my property, because they were too lazy to just park in the car park.

Thankfully now I'm working from home my car is permanently parked on the driveway and my son's car is parked across the driveway entrance so no chance of anyone doing it at the moment.

People can be such selfish thoughtless fuckers. I would never dream of using my neighbour's driveway to reverse onto.

caramac04 · 17/08/2020 18:39

Well your neighbours are pretty shite tbh. If I were your neighbour I would be telling the builders to keep off your lawn. Unless they are at work and are unaware?
I’d speak to the neighbour tonight and make it clear you’re not happy and they need to tell the builders to traipse over the clients lawn.