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People coming into garden and driveway (new build estate)

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MyUserName77 · 17/08/2020 16:26

Hi
Moved into a new build at the end of last year.
The estate is 'open plan' in that there are no pavements as such, the driveways are at the same level as the roads (no kerbs) and the front gardens are open plan with no hedges/walls, leading straight out onto the road.
We live in a detached house on a corner, it is clear that the area in front of our house is a private driveway, the drives are all monoblocked in a different coloured brick from the road.
There is a detached house next door but because of the design of the estate, our front lawns join together with no division between them (ie it is a large expanse of grass which goes straight across the front of both of our houses), there is no dividing wall or trees etc.
We were told when we moved in that due to 'covenants' we would not be permitted to change the look of the front of the house by building walls or planting hedges etc, so as to keep the estate looking uniform (I suspect at least until work is finished on the estate which might be at least another 2 years). It is clear however, that they own the part in front of their house, and we own the part in front of our house. There is a lamp-post in the road that is exactly halfway between our houses so this is the kind of 'line' that we have always taken to be where our garden ends and theirs begins.
They are having work done in their back garden just now, and have their driveway full of landscaping equipment and materials which is fine, however, it means that the vans/trucks that the builders are using cant be parked in their driveway. For some reason, they have decided to park right in front of our front garden, not in front of the neighbours house? Which now means that the builders are trekking wheelbarrow loads of rubble etc across my front garden in order to be able to get to their truck to dump it! So saving the neighbours front lawn but wrecking mine. There's no reason they can't park 5 metres down in front of the neighbours garden. They've also left tools and equipment on my front lawn and are constantly walking across my front garden in front of my living room window, so much that I've had to shut my blinds.
I am on my own just now and don't feel comfortable going out to talk to them as there are about 6 of them, using very loud and bad language and they are pretty intimidating.
Would I be unreasonable to get my DH to park his car in front of our garden tomorrow instead of the driveway, so that they can't park there for the remainder of the garden work? After only 1 half day of work (in the rain) my front lawn has tracks of wheelbarrow and skid marks all over it. I think they think that because there is no real division of the lawns that they have the right to trek anywhere they want. I have spent a lot of time and effort making my garden look nice and I don't want it ruined.

The builders (not to mention other neighbours in the road) also used our own driveway to reverse into to turn their truck when they left. Other people do it all the time as we are on a kind of corner and they like to reverse into their own drives which means them driving into ours so that they can get turned. When our car is not parked there, they actually reverse right up into our driveway fully to the front of the house! It's very annoying as our driveway is getting a lot of traffic and I'm worried the monoblocking will show wear and tear much sooner than it should due to all the people using it. I don't know how to stop it as we are not allowed to 'change the estate' by putting up walls or gates etc. We have even had people drive across the end of our front lawn and ruin the grass as they have been so close when they are turning their cars.

Don't know what my AIBU is but I just wanted to rant. Wondering how I can get around restrictive covenants by somehow dividing the front lawns in a non permanant way. And keep people out of our driveway,
Anyone else on a stupid new build estate dealing with similar issues?

OP posts:
SeaToSki · 17/08/2020 17:25

Usually covenants do not include anything that is movable - the definition of movable is usually quite loose.

I would temporarily put up stakes with keep out tape between them (if you do it this evening after they have finished they will just arrive to see it tomorrow morning with no need for you to talk to the builders themselves)

Then also send your neighbours an email or text and ask them to tell the builders to not walk on your grass and to not turn in your driveway as they have heavy commercial trucks and you dont want your monoblock damaged. If you want to ask the neighbours to make good any damage, that is optional, but maybe let that one go if its not too bad yet and if the builders do what they are told going forward.

RHRA · 17/08/2020 17:25

Are the neighbours in question approachable?

malmi · 17/08/2020 17:26

YABU for not speaking to them and coming up with various passive aggressive schemes instead

LakieLady · 17/08/2020 17:27

Your covenant says no hedges or fences, but is there anything in it to stop you from planting a couple of shrubs and a small tree? As long as they had gaps between them, I don't see that anyone would complain.

And ask them to stop doing it. If you don't feel comfortable speaking to the workmen, ask your neighbours to ask them to stay off your lawn.

I hate "open plan" gardens and would never buy a house that had this arrangement.

Phbq · 17/08/2020 17:29

Yes it’s ok to park outside your house.

I think you’ve been really silly not to speak to either the builders or the neighbours today.

Jaxhog · 17/08/2020 17:29

OP - go out there, take many, many photos of your garden, your drive, and go round each vehicle taking pics of the reg no and the company details. Make sure they see you doing it.

Get evidence and tell the builders they do NOT have access across or on your lawn, and that they need to make good the damage they have already done. As someone else has said, also put a temporary string along the boundary.

We have a front lawn like that. Fortunately, we (mostly) get on with our neighbour. The only issues we have are with the mowing line (their gardener mows horizontally, we mow vertically) and with their builders putting their ladders in our flowerbed. We also had to resort to the temporary string. It feels very petty, but it does work when 3rd parties are involved.

LadyCatStark · 17/08/2020 17:30

I’d put large plant pots along the boundary or your garden or these ready made raised beds you can buy. Then put cones at the end of your drive to stop people from driving onto it.

JustinOtherdad · 17/08/2020 17:31

"Can you stop traipsing across my lawn please, you are fucking ruining it! Unless you'd like to pay for it to be returfed when you're finished."

Quite simple and you're right to be pissed off. The tradesmen and your neighbours should have a lot more consideration for other people's property.

killerofmen · 17/08/2020 17:32

The builders can park on whatever bit of road they want but they need to stay off you lawn.

MadeleineMaxwell · 17/08/2020 17:32

Install sprinklers. Really powerful ones. Remote controlled.

CrocodilesCry · 17/08/2020 17:33

Them using your drive to reverse on is a bit rude but it's not going to prematurely age the surface - so drop that one, you'll look daft bringing it up. Same for them parking outside your house.

But damaging your lawn is not on. If you won't speak to the builders speak to your neighbour.

Nottherealslimshady · 17/08/2020 17:34

I'd put a flowerbed or plant pots all the way round your perimeter and block the driveway with large plant pots when you're not parked on there. You can get big concrete looking ones that are plastic so you can move them for pulling a car on.
I'd also talk to your neighbours. Its bang out of order.

Anjo2011 · 17/08/2020 17:35

If you don’t say anything they will assume it’s ok and it isn’t. We bought a new build house 10
years ago, we still live in it. The area of our drive and road outside are brick weaved, the brick weaved area outside was meant to have speed ramps which also meant no one should park on this area, but the ramps never happened so we constantly have people parking over our driveway and making it difficult to access. I wish I had said
Something To the builders all those years ago and I never. Can you put your bins at the end of your drive? Or get some big patio pots to dot along the boundary. It will continue to wind you up if you don’t say anything. I think your neighbours have a cheek too not putting the builders straight. Do it of the neighbours will think your house and drive are fair game to make their lives easier.

Notredamn · 17/08/2020 17:39

Errrr just go out and say 'can you move all that over to your clients side please, I don't want all this going off here- thank you'.
Your neighbours are shitheads. I'd feel awful in their shoes but they clearly don't care.

EggysMom · 17/08/2020 17:39

Bugger the covenant - put something up to mark the boundary. By the time anybody gets round to writing to you about it, they'll have almost finished and you can 'feign ignorance' and remove whatever barrier you erect Grin

BluebellForest836 · 17/08/2020 17:41

Park in front of your house and get wooden planters along the border.

MizMoonshine · 17/08/2020 17:44

Pop up some temporary fencing down the divide of the gardens. And put a cone in front of your driveway.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/08/2020 17:47

could you put plant pots out as a temporary boundary?

This is what I did, when I got fed up of the guy next door driving deep ruts across my lawn

They were terracotta and next thing I knew he was demanding compo for damage to his car caused by driving into the large pots that "he didn't see" Hmm

Countrysidelife54 · 17/08/2020 17:50

I live on an open plan estate like you op I had a wooden divider put down in the ground down to seperate our gardens, the developer did it at my request after the next door neighbour wrongly thought that part of my garden was his and started planting things there.
So just to warn you before you start dividing up what land is yours, check your plans first so you can accurately determine what exactly is yours.
Unfortunately my neighbour was told part of my garden was his by the newbuild company by mistake, even though you could clearly see on the plans it wasn't.
Other people have put down wooden dividers in the ground on my development and its not something the developers have been bothered about at all.

cologne4711 · 17/08/2020 17:50

A new build house and they've got the builders in already?

I don't think this is a peculiarly new build problem OP. I am at the end of a cul de sac and the side of my garden is the back of someone else's garden. They have a (pedestrian) gate which they use frequently into our road. But they always seem to use it as a tradesman entrance when they are having work done, so we end up with people parked outside our house, even though they're doing work in theirs, and when I walk up their road, there is no reason at all why the van/lorry can't be parked outside their house.

OP I agree with the advice for wooden planters or similar - something that isn't a fence or wall but can act as a boundary.

Newnamenewopenme · 17/08/2020 17:52

Take photos before it’s damaged as a back up incase you need it. Then speak to your neighbour.

Make sure you have the photos then if there ends up being an issue in future (hopefully you won’t need them) you can use them as evidence.

tara66 · 17/08/2020 17:52

You can get ''NO ENTRY'' signs of different sorts.

NoProblem123 · 17/08/2020 17:54

Got as far as paragraph 2 and literally want to park my own car across your garden the CFers wrecking your lawn, they know full well it’s yours I’m fuming on your behalf !

Also, I’ve brought 2 new builds with similar covenants, everyone basically does as they please once builders have gone.
Can you do the passive-aggressive painted white stones in the meantime?

Fuming about the bad language you’ve had to listen to too. Trashy.

Iknowthingsthatwillhappen · 17/08/2020 17:56

Just ask the neighbours to stop the builders crossing your lawn (or ask DH to)

tara66 · 17/08/2020 17:56

Also ''NO TRESPASSING'' etc. signs!

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