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Asked for ID

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untiednations · 15/08/2020 23:27

I am 34, I went to the supermarket today buying a top up shop incl a bottle of gin. Cashier asked me for ID. I didn’t have any on me but I am a regular in the shop and I went to school with the cashier on the neighbouring checkout and we had been chatting while waiting (his checkout was vacant). After I mentioned this (and school friend confirmed) I expected my cashier to back down as it was obviously a mistake. She refused. Claimed it was against the law to serve someone after you’ve asked for ID if they can’t produce it. I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why do people just invent laws to suit themselves and save face?

I used to run a pub so I know very well the risks of serving someone underage but this was clearly just a misunderstanding followed by total jobsworth behaviour.

OP posts:
eveningfalls · 16/08/2020 00:41

I'd be quite happy to be asked for ID at 34!!

AgentJohnson · 16/08/2020 00:42

It’s absolutely not the law that the member of staff couldn’t back down when she realised she’d made a mistake.

Others have posted that once you are asked, it’s either produce ID or be rushed a sale. The cashier has no discretion, the only person not backing down after being informed of their mistake, is you.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 00:50

I bought a bottle of wine in Tesco today. I scanned it through the self service checkout and almost instantly it flashed up as being approved. I'm assuming that was a technical glitch unless they have programmed the machines to determine age now Grin. Glitches aside, I'm 29 and normally get asked for ID.

None of this is relevant or helpful to the OP but this thread reminded me of it Smile.

BeaUnder · 16/08/2020 00:55

The first time I got asked for ID I was 86.

Christ I'm gorgeous.

StormyInTheNorth · 16/08/2020 01:02

I am almost 37 and I happened to be asked for ID today for a bottle of fizzy plonk. It happens alot, I am always quite pleased, especially if I get a passive aggressive "You're older than you look." I respond with a passive aggresive smirk.

RaspberryRuff · 16/08/2020 01:04

Is challenge 25 the law?

I know people can look younger but no one of 34 is going to look under 18!

I was IDd in Spoons a few years back when I was 43! The bar assistant looked horrified when I showed her my driving licence and she saw my age! I always have it on me as it’s in my purse but I’d have been right hacked off if I hadn’t and I wasn’t served as there’s no way on this earth I look under 25 far less 18!

Willow2017 · 16/08/2020 01:08

She refused. Claimed it was against the law to serve someone after you’ve asked for ID if they can’t produce it. I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why do people just invent laws to suit themselves and save face
She is right, the till will not let you proceed once you have pressed the I.d. required button.

It’s absolutely not the law that the member of staff couldn’t back down when she realised she’d made a mistake.
It absolutely is.

Get over it and don't be so nasty.

I don’t know why you didn’t just wait til there was a space and go to the next till then
Because that cashier cannot serve you if you have not produced i.d.

Why should some risk a fine, losing thier job and having the licence holder in store being fined and the store possibly losing thier licence for the sake of a bottle of gin?

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 01:08

I was once asked for ID in Wetherspoons after I'd bought my drink and had sat down with it Confused.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 01:10

Luckily I had ID on me but I guess if I didn't they would have took my prosecco away from me ShockSad

Icanflyhigh · 16/08/2020 01:10

I would LOVE to be ID'd. At 41 I think I've missed that boat,but a woman can dream.....

Willow2017 · 16/08/2020 01:10

It's store policy and if we breach it the things above can happen. Challenge 25 is the recognised standard for preventing underage sales of lots of things not just alcohol.

DeeTractor · 16/08/2020 01:10

These threads always bring out the people who are clearly not used to hearing the word "no".

Get over it.

dontgobaconmyheart · 16/08/2020 01:12

Very unfair OP, have you actually ever worked in retail? They are very strict on age related Dale's laws and these are monitored closely. It is usually an immediate final written warning for anyone who fails to ask for ID in any appropriate circumstances. Processing a sale as a favour to you because she vaguely knows you (maybe you weren't as memorable to her as she clearly is to you) wouldn't be decent enough rationale for her to avoid that I'd it were picked up on Hmm. Good for her for erring on the side of caution and valuing her job security and regulations over trying to please your entitlement. Take your ID next time and it wouldn't be any issue. Stop trying to put people in difficult positions when they are doing their (key worker) jobs.

MorganKitten · 16/08/2020 01:17

I used to run a pub so I know very well the risks of serving someone underage but this was clearly just a misunderstanding followed by total jobsworth behaviour

Then you’re aware of the up to £5000 fine the cashier can face if she she sells to either someone under age or without ID. You didn’t take other people’s word for ID and age wHen you worked in a pub did you? No difference here.

Areyouquitesure · 16/08/2020 01:22

Well that can't be right Confused

Of course you can sell to someone without ID and not be fined (if they're legally of age)

Just not when you've asked for ID already

Starbuggy · 16/08/2020 01:23

YABU

And if you really did used to run a pub you should be well aware of the penalties for staff breaking licensing laws.

You were wrong. I really hope you werent rude the poor staff member serving you who was just trying to do their job! But sadly I have a feeling you probably were

Topseyt · 16/08/2020 01:26

The cashier is correct, I'm afraid.

lazyarse123 · 16/08/2020 01:27

On my till when you scan an age related product the till asks if the customer looks under or over 25. If under 25 is pressed it then asks which or if any id is shown, if none the sale cannot proceed. It has to be voided which is always flagged up. So no she's not making things up to be arsey we leave that to the customers.

Palavah · 16/08/2020 01:31

It doesn't matter whether it's the law - if it's store/company policy then she's risking her job to flout it. If you want to complain about the policy then contact head office.

safariboot · 16/08/2020 01:35

I understand it being store policy. But can anyone cite any actual law a checkout worker would break if the worker asks for ID for an age-restricted product, the customer does not provide ID, the checkout worker sells the product anyway, and the customer is in fact old enough.

Shesapunkpunk · 16/08/2020 01:36

Why did you go to the vacant checkout of your friend?

Shesapunkpunk · 16/08/2020 02:19

*didn’t ....obs

melj1213 · 16/08/2020 02:37

But can anyone cite any actual law a checkout worker would break if the worker asks for ID for an age-restricted product, the customer does not provide ID, the checkout worker sells the product anyway, and the customer is in fact old enough.

Under the Licensing Act 2003, it is mandatory for all licensed premises in England and Wales to adopt an age verification policy in relation to the sale or supply of alcohol.

So for shops, it is a condition of their licence that they apply an age verification, and for most it is Challenge 25. The minute a worker asks for ID and then sells the item - regardless of the purchasers age - without having seen the ID requested they are breaking a condition of the licence which then has them in breach of the Licensing Act 2003. The penalties are personal fines for the person who sold it as well as fines for the store and potential loss of their licence, so even if the store manager vouches for a customer, I will not process a transaction where I have asked the person for ID until I personally see it. If the manager wants to process the transaction then they're welcome to but I won't and most good managers would never put their staff in that position as it is an abuse of their position and could result in them being disciplined if the staff member raises a grievance (especially in large supermarket chains like mine)

Also some companies (mine included) hire test purchasers who are all over 18 to try and buy age restricted items to ensure staff are applying the policy correctly. The company my store uses gives the purchaser a scenario which may include them trying to persuade the cashier with various excuses to change their mind to see if they stick to the "No ID. No Sale. No Exceptions" eg "My friend X works here, can you get them to come and verify I'm old enough?" or "I dont have my ID but I have a picture on my phone, is that OK?" or "I'm over 18, look I have tattoos/car keys/kids" etc etc.

At the moment it is also difficult as everyone is wearing masks so it is easy to not recognise someone and have asked for their ID before you realise that they are actually 25+ (my Aunt came up to the customer service desk where I work yesterday and I didnt even recognise her until she spoke to me because I have never seen her wearing a mask) and you have to gauge "Are they 25+?" from the eyes up as we are not allowed to ask people to remove their mask before we challenge them, so many people are being overly cautious. If we ask for their ID and cannot be sure it is the person we can request they remove their mask, but they have the right to refuse and if they do so then we are not allowed to complete the sale.

SimplySteveRedux · 16/08/2020 04:31

Once asked for ID it has to be provided, even a manager can not overturn a refusal. I was asked for ID at Tesco yesterday, I'm 42, I always operate that I may be asked so always have my driving license with me. It's not difficult to carry something.

MrsSchadenfreude · 16/08/2020 04:49

I was ID’d the other week in London. I’m 55. These laws are mad. Also had a checkout assistant refuse to sell me a bottle of wine as DD1 (who is 21) was with me and had no ID on her. The madness here is that the law allows me to give her an alcoholic drink at home over the age of five.

DD1 was also refused a bottle of wine after she had produced ID, as the cashier said triumphantly “that she wasn’t 25.” If you’re going to implement “check 25”, at least tell your staff what it means.