To think if you chose to go abroad during a pandemic it serves you right?

[FunnysInLaJardin]

I get that folk feel they deserve a holiday, but if you travel during the current pandemic you shouldn't complain if rules suddenly change before you get home.

Anyone with half a wit could see that it was a risky thing to do to take a holiday at this time.

once UK has a 1000 or under new infection rates per day. It is France that has 2000 plus new infections a day, I think you are getting the two countries mixed up.

The whole fiasco is yet another dollop of misery for all of us. It's nothing to gloat about.

Fuck this bloody virus.

"Slight variation on the theme of the thread but it has been mentioned - if you move abroad to make your life there permanently, surely you accept that there is a realistic risk that you will never see relatives from your home country in person ever again"

Do you honestly think anyone thought like that before coronavirus happened?

If you marry someone from another country you accept that one of you will always be in a different country and that's not always an easy decision to make. I don't think many feel like "well better not marry him in case of a massive pandemic".

I don't really care whether people choose to go abroad or not - people make different choices to me all the time, it is their life to live as they see fit etc.

I thought the point of the OP was not people choosing to travel abroad, but people who do that and then take to social media/the press/ complaining to MP when there is a sudden change in status. I mean, if you make the choice to travel, you have to factor in that risk, so what is the point in complaining if something you were warned may happen, happens?

It is like travelling to a beach and then complaining there is sand. That was the deal, deal with your decision and don't ask for sympathy and help with coping with what you were told about in advance.

Many ex pats are now preparing to come home because of the pandemic hopeless. Most people do not plan to be cut off for months at a time from family and their home country. It is not nice being overseas feeling like you can't get home and worried sick about elderly parents.

Think “Serve you right” sounds petty, jealous and mean-spirited. Can’t be arsed to read the thread, not going on holidays but those that are I hope they have a lovely time and they aren’t affected by COVID.

@Friendsoftheearth were I looked it had over £2k the day before yesterday. Yesterday’s were not published, not that I could see at least. I check daily because I am compring it with where I am and the situation I may find when I get back. At the moment it is much safer here.

Sorry everyone else but I have to say that I agree with the OP. We were due to go to abroad last month and decided not to go as we didn’t feel happy and didn’t know what would happen whilst over there. As it stands we have lost all of our money and it seems almost everywhere is booked in the uk within reasonable distance from our home, so we won’t be getting a holiday at all this year. That’s fine, it’s the way it is, there is always next year, but I have very little sympathy for people going abroad, as there is always a risk that the government may change things whilst you’re out there. Plus it won’t kill people to go without a holiday for one year surely.

I know Friends But I thought it might save some mner anguish to have someone take over their booking.

@TheNavigator you are totally right. That prt of the OP’s post is right. Would have been stupid not to think of all possible risks. But the setiments is wrong and spiteful.

YANBU, it’s a real shame and I don’t like to see people be disappointed with their holidays interrupted. But also, it’s not really a shock when it happens, is it?
I would say it’s perfectly ok to have a moan about it but then when it moves, as PPs have said, to complaining to the airlines it’s a bit silly. There is definitely an element of “well, what did you expect?”

once absolutely completely incorrect. UK have never had an infection rate anywhere near 2000 since the spring.

Please check for yourself:

www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus+worldometer&oq=coron&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l3.3005j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It is Spain and France that have had over 2000 plus, and in Spain's case 3000 plus cases per day. But the important stats to look at are these:

UK; 18 cases per 100,000
France: 30.5 cases per 100, 000 - 50 in Paris and Marseille
Spain 98 cases per 100,000

You can clearly see the difference, and it is meaningful.

The threshold of concern for SAGE to activate travel bans is: 20
France have been running at current levels for over two weeks.

If anything the UK government have been slow to respond from a science point of view.

[quote OnceUponACat]@TheNavigator you are totally right. That prt of the OP’s post is right. Would have been stupid not to think of all possible risks. But the setiments is wrong and spiteful.[/quote]
I agree, 'serves you right' is not very nice. But I certainly read the complaints from people who have chosen to travel in a pandemic and then find that there has been sudden change and think 'what did you expect?' Which maybe isn't very nice of me either, I should resolve to be kinder

@OnceUponACat @TSSDNCOP @Drivingdownthe101

It's just a theoretical/ statistical/ rationality based look at the issue (professional training in those areas). It doesn't mean that people don't have feelings, that they won't be deeply hurt by circumstances. Nor that one can foresee all possible risks and outcomes - hell, a relative in this country could have an accident and one not be able to visit because of all sorts of combinations. It's also not a value judgement on anyone making a decision to move or not move. But moving abroad and not being able to see people again is not, I would argue, an unforeseen or impossible to imagine potentiality, and therefore it should be factored in to the decision making process. That's all. If it's not an acceptable to the person involved then they shouldn't go. It's up to them to decide.

she that is a very kind thing to do

It's a complete first world problem isnt it?

'Oh no my holiday went badly, this is a holiday from hell, they changed the guidelines after I left because of a pandemic I knew was happening!'

'I'm devastated to be losing my holiday of the year, I cannot cope sitting at home, I will go mad'

Kind of just shows you how dumb and selfish some of the public are. People have died, lost loved ones, but no, Betty from Essex can't get her holiday or got stuck in tenerife, this is the biggest outrage of the year!

I married a Brit some 24 years ago and no, a pandemic stopping me travelling to see my family abroad did not enter my calcutations - what a silly thing to suggest!

I am now at the point where I am not wondering WHEN I will see my parents again, but WHETHER

"Slight variation on the theme of the thread but it has been mentioned - if you move abroad to make your life there permanently, surely you accept that there is a realistic risk that you will never see relatives from your home country in person ever again"

Indeed that is why I will never emigrate of marry someone from abroad. You must fully expect air travel to be reduced for climate change if nothing else. It isn't just pandemic.

I believe adults booked holidays and effective consented to having a holiday with an element of unknown therefore need to accept the consequences as adults. By all means go to France today but accept the consequences of quarantine when you get back or the rules changing again. The government shouldn't have given so much warning. They didn't for Spain and the local lockdowns. If it's too dangerous to not quarantine on Saturday then it is probably too dangerous now. The embarrassment of many complaining about this online shows people believe they can book holidays without consequences they can't and need to take responsibility for their situation.

Same here. Funnily enough a global pandemic didn’t factor into my decision-making when choosing to study languages at age eighteen 🧐

I chose to travel (to France, by car, for 2 weeks) and for us the risk paid off. We were fortunate. We knew the risk and took the opportunity while we could. I still agree op, that those who choose to go do so knowing full well the risk and have no room to complain if/ when quarantine is announced.

if you move abroad to make your life there permanently, surely you accept that there is a realistic risk that you will never see relatives from your home country in person ever again

Australia maybe. 22 miles across the channel to France? Vanishingly remote possibility that you’d never be able to see relatives again in that circumstance.

It's like people who head off without travel insurance then expect others to bail them out when they have a problem. It really p**s me off!
For those who haven't yet noticed, there is a pandemic. Use your brains to think about what the consequences of that might be! Do not complain if your risk-taking ends badly

@Fletchings

Because, Lemon, because! Planes are just full of Covid, everyone knows this!

no, they aren't! probably saver than the supermarket or pub covidwise!

Think you missed the sarcasm there.

The serves you right sentiment may be wrong but the figures speak for themselves on this one, regardless of all the posts giving the op a kicking, most people Who’ve clicked, agree with her, by a big majority

As usual, the Government is greatly exaggerating the risk. It is their default position ever since wanker Johnson was rightly accused of treating the whole thing as a joke and doing nothing back in March.