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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask if you have personally ever doubted the sex you were born into

238 replies

Chantelli · 02/08/2020 20:51

Just that
Yabu - of course my gender and sex have always been aligned
Yanbu - I've often felt as though I do not identify with my biological sex assigned at birth

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SantaClaritaDiet · 02/08/2020 23:29

Never

It feels so natural, there was never any doubt.
I have never questioned my gender either, I feel so lucky that it gives me the best of both world, and the freedom to be whatever I want to be, it has always been completely natural.

I am guessing I can thank my parents for raising us knowing there was no limitation or expectation on these aspects.

Areyouactuallyseriousrightnow · 02/08/2020 23:30

YABU because sex is not assigned at birth it is observed.

StillMedusa · 02/08/2020 23:34

FirelighterGirl just get out there and be YOU.
Not all lesbians are androgynous or masculine looking... my DD1 is a willowy very feminine looking lesbian (looks like a bellet dancer tbh!) and actually found it quite frustrating when she first came out, as no one believed her (and was forever being hassled by men who thought she was joking when she said she wasn't interested!) Now happily married to a beautiful woman...

SinisterBumFacedCat · 02/08/2020 23:38

I don’t doubt my sex. When I was a child I used to feel like I had to make an effort to behave and act like a little girl (be feminine, not too loud, don’t play fight or tell jokes) and it was policed mainly by the expectations of other little girls. I envied the boys having more fun. But I got over it.

queenofknives · 02/08/2020 23:38

This is a really interesting chat with a trans man about how he came to decide to transition and his view on it all:

Clumsyduck · 02/08/2020 23:42

Sort of but at an age when I didn’t understand what it all really meant - I was terrified at the thought of having to have periods and hated how adult women’s life’s to me looked more difficult compared to men’s . I was a “tomboy” and so was often picked on at school for liking “ boy “ hobbies such as football etc and completely Rejecting most Of the stuff that the girls were commonly into including “girly” clothes etc etc . I though being a boy looked better and it would be easier and that I felt more “boyish “ this was way before I even knew changing sex was a thing But I used to wish I could Turn into a boy !!

However as an adult now I realize that i am just a normal woman ( and More than happy as one !) That also likes I guess traditionally more male things In terms of hobbies , interests etc . Of course It shouldn’t be like that and there is really no need to gender certain things but I guess that’s still how things are to an extent .

BackforGood · 03/08/2020 00:07

I've never doubted the sex I was born into, but I haven't voted as there is no "of course" about it.
That implies that it isn't 'a thing' or it has never happened to some people Hmm

caringcarer · 03/08/2020 00:10

No always accepted the biological sex I was born but occasionally been envious of how opposite sex get more pay/promotion.

DDemelza · 03/08/2020 00:11

I remember being really, really worried I might be a hermaphrodite who would turn into a manly person as I grew up, as the result of some really weird pre-sex-ed lessons foisted on us in the 90s.

ViciousJackdaw · 03/08/2020 00:27

I have. When I was around 15, I did not feel female but at the same time, did not feel male either. This went on for about a year then I left school (a girls school) and started Sociology A-level at the local college. Well, it was a revelation! I had no idea there were women who had interests other than attracting men and having children. That not every womans ultimate ambition was to be a housewife. I spoke to my tutor about this, he directed me towards the relevant library books. I soon realised it wasn't ME with issues, it was society.

If I was 15 right now, I imagine I'd have declared myself non-binary or gender-neutral when really, there was no need. I have no issue with trans at all, it takes all sorts. But if someone wanted to permanently transition, I would urge them to read all they could on gender studies. To make double triple sure they weren't simply rejecting society's expectations. I don't mean that to sound dismissive btw.

everythingthelighttouches · 03/08/2020 00:32

I have never doubted my sex.
I reject gender stereotypes.

I have been disadvantaged because of my biological sex and the way society is set up to favour the male sex.

I have also been looked down upon whenever I didn’t conform to what is expected of “a feminine woman”, for example, excelling in science and maths, having an opinion, not being a good cook or particularly bothered about makeup.

I’m glad I’m a woman though.

Crosswithlifeatm · 03/08/2020 00:41

Born in the 60 a female( not assigned).Although it was a more stereotyped upbringing there was no pink/ blue rubbish around.I was bought dolls,brother bought cowboy outfit.We both tied the dolls to a tree and did 'Indian' dances around them.
I was a quiet rebel and didn't conform to expected gendered behaviour but in those times when the boys of my generation wore make up,had longer glossier hair and wore what they liked I went unnoticed.
My DD us a teen and it's harder for her.Much as she has tried to resist she had had to choose a 'box',ATM it's non-binary as it she doesn't have to do anything about it.Sexuality wise she's not sure, I've told her there's no need to worry about that when she meets the right person she'll know and that's what counts.
She has 2 friends that are identifying as men but neither are dismorphic ,both for different reasons are having a tough time being young females.
I'm glad I grew up on n a time when I was just expected to be moody,angry and sort it out when in my own time.

Wilko312 · 03/08/2020 00:51

Sex is assigned at conception, gender is much more fluid.

I am CIS gender female. I have 2 children. I hope they continue to feel they align with the gender that corresponds with their biological sex. If they don't, I will support them.

FlorenceFlounce · 03/08/2020 00:55

Never questioned it for even a microsecond 🤷‍♀️

I am female.
I was a little girl who liked dinosaurs, fossils, fishing, climbing trees, riding bikes, building dens in the woods, birdwatching and reading.
I never played house or imaginary games, but I did play football and running races with the boys.

I grew up to be a woman with a niche career in an incredibly macho scientific field. I like things like jungle trekking and photography. I like to do DIY and buy all the powertools to be good at those tasks. I only like to read books about magic and military style fantasy.
I don’t really understand how to run friendships like other people (especially women) but I’m an excellent teacher and caregiver. I like to do crochet and gardening too.

I’m a woman on the autistic spectrum. I’m myself and I never considered that my interests might mean I should really a man to “fit in” with gender expectations.

mayormaynot · 03/08/2020 01:00

I always thought I would feel like me, if I was born with a penis I thought I would feel the same but with a penis. I was born with a vagina, I didn't mind that traditionally that meant I had a girls school uniform etc. I just thought it was tradition, I thought I could go against tradition if I wanted and wear traditionally boys clothes if I wanted. I did not realise that gender was anything. I just thought it was what you had between your legs and you could choose to wear or behave how you liked.

HowManyToes · 03/08/2020 01:42

@Chantelli

Thank you for all the very thoughtful and thought provoking replies... I didn't comment earlier because i didnt want to interupt the discussion. Its a fascinating insight for me - I like my biological sex, I enjoy pregnancy and periods and I enjoy being cyclical. I don't like how my gender is oppressed by the patriarchy. Can I refuse to be gendered as a woman despite feeling comfortable biologically?
Spoken like a true gender critical radfem Grin
Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/08/2020 01:47

We are not oppressed because of gender, we are oppressed because of our sex. Because of our female reproductive system.
'Gender' stereotypes imposed on us is how men want us to behave to keep us in our place.

CIS is nonsense too. Used to make us a subset of our own sex class so males, who oppress us because of our biology, can tell us that very same biology is somehow our privilege used to oppress them!!

NewNewt · 03/08/2020 01:56

I have never had any issue with the fact that I am an XX female.

I have had many issues with the gender expectations that society has on the whole for such individuals, hence why I am a gc feminist.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/08/2020 07:28

All this 'gender' stuff doesn't really make sense. So someone might have a gender identity that doesn't match their sex... what does that actually mean? It could imply that identifying with stereotypes is inate (not very feminist!) Or there's a meaning that's become unfashionable- feeling trapped in the wrong body. The first of those is politically regressive, the second looks like a mental health issue.

huuunderickssss · 03/08/2020 07:37

As a child I wanted to be a boy , if I had been born now I would no doubt have been called trans .. as soon as I hit puberty I grew into a lovely hourglass young lady and everything has been fine ever since . It worries me that I would have a different life had I been born 30 years later .

Northumberlandlass · 03/08/2020 07:40

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Sex is not assigned. It isn't a choice.

Gender is a set of social sex role stereotypes that are made to oppress females

Why would they need to match? Most people don't conform 100% one way or another.

Your sex NEVER changes. Personality is unique to every individual. The best thing we could all do is get rid of the bullshit stereotypes of 'gender'

Can't vote be cause your question assumes we all pray at the alter of gender ideology.
I don't 'identify' as female. I am one.

☝🏼 This with bells on!
Blasebananas · 03/08/2020 07:42

I don’t get the whole identity thing. I don’t ‘identify’ with anything, I am who I am. I’ve never thought to myself “oooohhh I really like a woman!”. I just am. So weird that people get caught up in all this... who cares

midgebabe · 03/08/2020 07:54

It's easy to get caught up in it.

Imagine you really hate your body, you are being bullied because you don't fit the stereotypes. Boys no longer play with you but do start looking for a bra strap to ping. You are very unhappy. Imagine all that leads you to feel that there is something wrong with you. Because other people are happy, you must be at fault.

You can see all the problems start when people are calling you a girl and get worse as your body changes. Those changes make you ugly, cause you pain every month. You really don't want that.

There is something wrong with you, you don't see why you are not a boy. It doesn't make sense ( remember you are 9 or 10 here, only a sad and lonely child with a child understanding);

Then someone say " oh but you are a boy really" . It feels so good, suddenly instead of people calling you a weirdo for being you and being good at maths. someone says it's perfectly ok.

It makes sense, and if only the world would agree , your problems would be over

It doesn't matter that it's a stereotype that says girls can't do maths, if you are bullied for it you don't see it that way

vikingwife · 03/08/2020 07:58

no But I’ve often wished dearly that I was a lesbian

Tunnocks34 · 03/08/2020 08:01

Biologically female and I have never felt the desire to change my gender. I probably conform to a lot of female stereotypes tbh - I like make up, I have long hair, I always wanted children etc