Everyone bitching about Boris' calorie and bike investment etc!!

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Or just bitching about him in general...

So far iv seen a woman slagging him of because he will invest in bikes for obese people but her GP will not give her a tummy tuck.

People with eating disorders complain about calories on menus as it will stop them eating! Understandable but for people like me who BINGE eat and have to calorie count to not become obese would give freedom to!

And so much more... I feel like he can't do right from wrong!!

A friend was complaining last week because the free school meals she was getting for ds are boring 🤦🏻‍♀️

I just SMH... would love to see these people run the country!

I sometimes live in New York and the calories are on the menu there in chains. It's quite useful for me as I'm not a big dieter and don't have a strong sense of calorie counts on different foods. I tend to just try to pick the one with the fewest carbs, in the main, which isn't typically listed and would be more useful tbh!

Anyway - when choosing between two apparently similar breakfast sandwiches in Dunkin Donuts, I have found it helpful to know which one is 300 calories less. It's also nice to be reminded that black coffee, which I like, is 5 calories and a latte, which I also like, is 150 calories (or whatever it is, I haven't looked it up) , and go for the black as I like it the same in most cases.

Saying this, I'm not sure it has done much for obesity in the US. :/

Better trains and Holland style divided cycle lanes would probably do a lot more. I would cycle if it wasn't so scary in the UK. In other countries I cycled daily.

I personally wouldn’t mind calories on menus. I’m usually pretty good at judging calories at home but restaurants often cook using a lot of butter or cream so the calories can be much higher than you think.

However. Most people are not obese because they don’t know how many calories are in a Weatherspoons chocolate fudge cake. It is far, far more complex than that. Sometimes overeating is a response to stress or trauma. We also know those in poverty are also more likely to be overweight that those on higher incomes. Sometimes it’s because people haven’t been taught or don’t have the confidence to cook healthy, nutritious meals.

I can’t see this making an iota of difference to the collective health of the nation.

Boris should put Tom Watson in charge he actually lost 7 stone this way read his book about it

Bicycle riding and healthy food from Boris. The irony is those frequent images of Jeremy Corbyn riding his bicycle down to tend his allotment.

I think headlines advising cycle everywhere or check the calories when you eat out or any of dozens of other pieces of advice keeps weight consciousness in everybody's minds. It will encourage ME to lose that extra stone I'm carrying around which I will be pleased about when it happens.
Every little helps imv
I fell sorry for v heavy people - I'm 64, carrying an extra stone or more is very tiring and affects the rest of my life, how much I can do, how much exercise I take.

With a nod to the Dutch, when I worked there they had a scheme (government sponsored) where you could buy a bicycle up to the value of €1500 I think it was - and pay it back over 3 years out of your gross salary which was a very good deal given their taxation! They scrapped it over a decade ago though.

We have the cyclescheme in the UK still: technically my employer owns my bike and it was bought out of pre tax income with the cost spread over a year.

Cycling is great exercise - it’s a good scheme, whatever the teething problems with the IT. I can’t get excited about calories on menus - I had an eating disorder, I already know the calories in things and have a running total in my head, and I know for example McDonald’s usually prints it on the paper anyway. If it helps some obese people it seems a good call.

I suffered from anorexia for a long time, I still think calories on menus are a good idea - obesity is a FAR more prevalent and disastrous ailment than eating disorders, and will cause millions more deaths too.

For those who are triggered by calorie information, it's really unfortunate, but most people with/recovering from anorexia are hyper-aware of calories, so they'd be totting it up in their head anyway (my experience, and that of my eating disorder friends from treatment).

It's very much a case of prioritising the many rather than the few - which society has to do in order to function.

I think dismissing ED is a bit misled. Yes it would be nice for obese people to be able to check calories with no effort but putting them on there further isolates extremely sick people and could send recovering anorexics into a spiral which ends in their death.

An easily accessible menu (or entries on MFP like HelloFresh do) would be better.

Don’t you think that we should be fighting for better support for people with ED instead? I’m sure treatment would help more - you have to live in a world that already has calories everywhere, ingredients to obsess over, traffic light systems for ‘good’ and ‘bad’ food etc.

He has presided over thousands of unnecessary deaths, he’s an incompetent narcissist and yes of course the nation collectively needs to tackle an obesity problem but he announces this the same week as encouraging the nation to get there half price Maccies WTAF?! And yes as someone said above we also need to boost the economy but encouraging a nation to still buy into McDonalds at the same time is completely contradictory. This is because he doesn’t actually care, it’s all just Cummings Spin.
And also I’ll respond to someone above saying they bet everyone’s moaning about their leaders atm - I bet a lot less are moaning about Jacinda Ahern and probably a lot less about Sturgeon too. And other capable competent leaders who want the best for their societies collectively.

However the other stuff yes, people are always ungrateful

People don't binge eat crap because they don't know it's full of calories, and I include myself in that. People don't not cycle everywhere because they can't afford to get their bike repaired either for the overwhelming majority. I don't knock him for trying but I think it'll be completely ineffective.

You'd probably be surprised at how incredibly easy it would be to make compassionate, decent, honest decisions to ensure society was well-ordered, protected and maintained for those who aren't puppets with Cummings' hand up their backsides.

Too true.

But to make those decisions would require a leader who isn't motivated by the desire to look after business at the expense of all else. With Tories, it's all about the money, and always has been.

How embarrassing for you. You’ve turned a discussion about obesity, exercise and nutrition into a silly rant about politics. But then not everyone is cut out for action.

Requesting the menu with calories wouldn't help anything. Only people that were already actively trying to lose weight would look.

It's the ones that aren't so aware if what is in food that you need to capture. I consider myself to have a reasonable understanding of nutrition and I have caught sight of the calories on a menu before now and thought, Christ it's not worth it. That's what you need to happen to bring a conscious awareness of what is in food.

@Freddiefox

I think people just like to moan. Not just about Boris but everything. People aren’t happy if they’re not moaning.

This 100%.

Calories on menu all ready have some form of this anyway, most have a section of lower calorie meals now.

What's the point of voucher to fix a bike, how many people have bikes that need to be fixed. And who can afford to buy new bikes for your family, We bought a bike for our sons birthday in March and it was on sale but it was still £300. When people jobs are under threat why would you buy bikes it's a lot of money to spend.

It's bit like the £5000 'Eco grant' that seems to be only for house insulation which they have been doing for the 5 - 10 years. That would be more useful to use help towards boilers or windows.

These are nothing but sound bites to try and make it look the Government look good. But there is no substance or use behind them.

As for eating disorders, it is tricky but you can't avoid everything. There are TV adverts about cancer - that's "triggering" for a large proportion of the population.

I remember going into Asda a few weeks after losing a baby and as part of their Mum and baby month they were running tannoy adverts that including the crying and gurgling of a newborn. I can tell you now that caused a huge response in me but I couldn't ask Asda not to play the advert as it was helpful for all of the new mums.

There is more good that can come than harm IMO.

Interesting to see on this thread is that on all other where obesity and overweight is mentioned it always (quite wrongly though, it is a factor for many, but nowhere near majority) ends up just about poverty. As many seem to think that it's predominantly poor people who are obese or overweight, dining out and calories on menus are therefore just unnecessary...

Either way. The nutritional info IS already available.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but how the fuck are restaurants supposed to work out how many calories are is each thing they make? Some places will have to employ someone else just to do this!
That's why it's fir businesses with over 250 employees. Depending on what the regulation there is, it could be pricey for a single independent cafe for example, but a chain with 10 restaurants can absorb the cost better. Plus most already have it.

Boris Johnson is an entitled clown. The guy doesn't have a clue. He's a self serving prick whose actions have resulted in tens of thousands of excess deaths and untold misery.

I think, had I had the opportunity to have his political career, I WOULD do better than him, so I'll criticize him as much as I want.

You'd probably be surprised at how incredibly easy it would be to make compassionate, decent, honest decisions to ensure society was well-ordered, protected and maintained for those who aren't puppets with Cummings' hand up their backsides.

I bloody wish that were true, my job would be so much easier (civil servant). What actually happens is that you need to balance the needs of one group with the needs of another, it's almost impossible to design a policy that has no negative effect on anyone.

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane

How embarrassing for you. You’ve turned a discussion about obesity, exercise and nutrition into a silly rant about politics. But then not everyone is cut out for action.

Unfortunately, obesity is political - I’m embarrassed you don’t know that. People are not overweight because they live a jolly life eating exactly what they fancy all the time, which unfortunately happens to be high-calorie junk. There’s an entire spectrum of reasons - time, money, trauma, genetics, ability, equipment and so on.

But actually, the main reason Boris Johnson is so important in this discussion is because his bold new fight against obesity isn’t that at all. There’s no push for education, there’s no grant for cooking equipment, or reduction in healthy food costs, or vouchers for free veg boxes for people on benefits or money for the NHS to help people lose weight - just a quick point to the fatties to judge them and a vague calorie amount on menus. Which, as we’ve seen from this thread, a lot of people won’t be able to interpret to any great use anyway.

He’s not doing it to help people. He’s doing it because he is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of people due to his incompetence. I’m embarrassed for you that you can’t see that.