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to civilly ask you to use your cars less

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mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 11:16

My last thread was deleted because I was not being "civil" enough, I don't actually think it is a subject there is much room for civility in, but I will try!

My last post was to try and answer some questions about me. Here they are

I think I have answered these.

No I am not a strict vegetarian. I don't buy milk or dairy, but eat it in other peoples houses,

no I don't fly,

foodmiles, well, I take them into consideration, but they are not the only indicator of the environmental impact of food. Tomatoes grown in a heated greenhouse 2 miles away might have more environmental impact than tomatoes grown outside in Spain, and flown in.

I have 2 adopted children, 1 is an adult no longer living at home I currently have 3 foster children, but that is likely to change this week

Yes I have a pet, it came with one of the adopted children.

No I don't smoke

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mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:03

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

Imagine working 80 hours a week and walking for two and a half hours a day! I don’t think anyone should live like this in a developed country.
haha! I agree with you about the hours teachers work! But I don't work it all on the school site, a lot of it is at home at night
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mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:05

@Lucindainthesky

I feel sorry for the freed slaves the OP is fostering. Dragged around for miles and not even able to have dairy or meat as a reward.
I don't make children be vegan. I give them more or less what they ask for to eat, as far as is practical
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Desiringonlychild · 28/07/2020 15:07

@mosquitofeast

Though OP this gives me some hope. My MIL is very eco conscious too and doesn't go to places she can't walk and take public transport to. She comes to my place often because it's only 2 miles away. I was worried if I moved further out to zone 5, she wouldn't come so often and may not help me with childcare cos she can't walk 5 miles and may not want to pay £1.50 for the bus on a regular basis (also the bus takes ages).

But if you can make a 10 mile round trip, maybe I shouldn't be worried because eco conscious people are made of sterner stuff.

mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:08

@Bemorechicken

80 hours a week (term time) ? So: That's 16 hours a day? (5 day week)

So you work 5am - 5pm would be 12 hours so you work from 5am -9pm and then walk 1 hour and 15 minutes each way.
So do you leave at 3.45am to get there for 5am? and are you back by 10.15pm then? That is a long day OP, I do hope you are getting some rest over the summer. (And some help for delusions).

Depends if I have children staying with me or not. If not, I am in school 13 hours a day. If I do, then I work more hours at night, including weekend nights

I am not deluded, but I don't care if you believe me or not. I think it says something that people are so hooked up on using their cars that they are unable to accept an account of a single parent working full time without one.

But as I said, its nothing to me, why should it be?

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doityourselfnow · 28/07/2020 15:09

haha! I agree with you about the hours teachers work! But I don't work it all on the school site, a lot of it is at home at night

You're lack of ability to time manage and not complete your duties during the working day should not affect the time you are at home and supposedly fostering children.

You need to either give up the fostering or give up the job, I should imagine you're doing both badly currently!

Or alternatively save time by driving instead of walking too and from work,

Nicknacky · 28/07/2020 15:09

I’m surprised how much information you are giving out online (anon forum or not) about your foster family. That is worrying.

allfalldown47 · 28/07/2020 15:10

Are you in a union? Even our phase leaders don't work those hours.

I'd also be interested to know how you are able to be a decent foster carer working 80 hours a week!

mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:11

@Nicknacky

I’m surprised how much information you are giving out online (anon forum or not) about your foster family. That is worrying.
well, it will all change, The information I have given you today will not be relevant tomorrow, I haven't said anything identifying, I am quite careful not to
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allfalldown47 · 28/07/2020 15:11

So you're now saying you're a single parent?

19lottie82 · 28/07/2020 15:12

I drive to work and it takes me 10 minutes. If I was to get public transport it would be 45 minutes walking and 25 mins on the bus, each way. So 2 hours extra per day.

Call me selfish, but I’m going to keep using my car.

heartsonacake · 28/07/2020 15:12

You are still being unreasonable.

Like I said on the last thread, if you want to walk, you do so, but I’m not arsed so I won’t.

mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:13

@doityourselfnow

haha! I agree with you about the hours teachers work! But I don't work it all on the school site, a lot of it is at home at night

You're lack of ability to time manage and not complete your duties during the working day should not affect the time you are at home and supposedly fostering children.

You need to either give up the fostering or give up the job, I should imagine you're doing both badly currently!

Or alternatively save time by driving instead of walking too and from work,

I assure you there is no "inability to manage time" just a workload which is too big. If I didn't work I would not be able to foster, would I . No mortgage payments for a start, and no house to offer.
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Nicknacky · 28/07/2020 15:13

No, it will be relevant. And considering you say you foster youths who have been involved in cannabis manufacturing and therefore as victims of criminal enterprise then you shouldn’t be posting anything that can be identifiable

allfalldown47 · 28/07/2020 15:13

13 hours a day, in school, equates to 7am to 9pm.
No premises officer would work to those hours and any teacher needing school to be open for that long, would be seriously being looked at by senior management.

Lonelykettleshed · 28/07/2020 15:13

I'll preface this by saying that I've not read the full thread and I didn't read the previous thread.

I'll happily use my car less if you tell me how...

From home to work - no public transport options that mean I can get there and back in the same 24 hour period, let alone do any work.

Can't move nearer to work as have Carer responsibilities near home.

Can't do the same job closer to home.

No regular public transport from village therefore drive to town (pre pandemic) as can't get everything delivered and replacing my car with multiple delivery drivers probably doesn't make that much of a difference.

Rural living comes with different transport requirements as do individual's personal circumstances. I've loved not having to drive as much during the lockdown but equally I've missed many opportunities along the way.

I agree that we need to try and reduce emissions but we need good infrastructure to facilitate that.

JuanNil · 28/07/2020 15:14

@BadLad can't be, OP doesn't eat kippers Grin

Underhisi · 28/07/2020 15:14

Imaginary families do change a lot.

DPotter · 28/07/2020 15:15

I would personally love to drive less and take public transport. Sadly bus service has reduced from one bus three times a week when we first moved here (bus went at 9.40am and returned about 3.30pm so totally unusable for standard working day) to no buses available. Nearest bus stop (with one bus an hour ) is a 2 mile walk along lanes with no pavements or street lights.

Taxis are pretty much a no go as well. They charge to come from the nearest town 5 miles away as well as for the trip itself. And as I'm a peripatetic craft teacher who carries all her kit in the boot of her car, I can't cycle to work either.

And it's not as if I live in the middle of nowhere. I'm in one of the most heavily populated parts of the Thames Valley, 50 mils from central London.

toconclude · 28/07/2020 15:16

@WhateverHappenedToMe

Have you ever tried taking a (rescued) 16 foot long Burmese Python to the vet by bus?
You win this threadGrin
PhilCornwall1 · 28/07/2020 15:17

haha! I agree with you about the hours teachers work! But I don't work it all on the school site, a lot of it is at home at night

to civilly ask you to use your cars less
KimKsButt · 28/07/2020 15:18

@mosquitofeast when I first read your OP (without seeing your initial thread that was taken down) I thought you sounded so condescending. I hate it when people “gently” or “politely” or “civilly” ask me to do anything. It always comes across as so superior.

Anyway, I have got over myself and I think you are right. When talking about journeys less than 2 miles we can all THINK about ways to find an alternative. For example I work less than 2 miles away but have to drive to work because when I finish I take my daughter straight to an after school activity in another town. But I’m going to sit and work out which days I can walk/cycle to work and back, then unfortunately will have to take the car to the activity but we do lift share. It might not be possible every day but I’m going to try and work it out instead of taking the easy option all the time. I’m also a lazy person and instead of driving to the supermarket for anything less than a full shop I could walk in to town (20 mins each way) and it will help me get more active.

In short I think the tone of the OP was grating but you’ve made me think and ultimately that has to be better for all of us in the long run so thankyou OP.

This is obviously only relevant to me and my circumstances so I’m not passing any judgement on others.

mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:18

@allfalldown47

13 hours a day, in school, equates to 7am to 9pm. No premises officer would work to those hours and any teacher needing school to be open for that long, would be seriously being looked at by senior management.
no, I am normally there 5am -6pm. The premises open at 4 for cleaners, but teachers can come in to and close at 6. But not when I have children at home. I just work longer hours when I don't. I flipping wish senior managers would seriously look at the work load that keeps staff in for that long, but sadly, they don't seem to care
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BadLad · 28/07/2020 15:18

[quote JuanNil]@BadLad can't be, OP doesn't eat kippers Grin[/quote]
Lol, that'll teach me to read the thread.

At least test pilots in the Space Corps probably go more than two miles per trip.

BiBabbles · 28/07/2020 15:18

Yes, there are things everyone could do better. Not sure why this one is such a bee in your bonnet OP though, it would be more effective would be targeting and campaigning about industrial environmental damage if air pollution is your main concern.

But then I don't own a car and can count the times I've used one this year on one hand. One, my DD's jabs, couldn't have been done as a pedestrian even if it was within 2 miles, they're only doing them by car here and having spent over a year trying to get the jabs for my DS that he missed in Y9, I'm not going stop her getting protected just because it had to involve a car.

mosquitofeast · 28/07/2020 15:19

[quote KimKsButt]@mosquitofeast when I first read your OP (without seeing your initial thread that was taken down) I thought you sounded so condescending. I hate it when people “gently” or “politely” or “civilly” ask me to do anything. It always comes across as so superior.

Anyway, I have got over myself and I think you are right. When talking about journeys less than 2 miles we can all THINK about ways to find an alternative. For example I work less than 2 miles away but have to drive to work because when I finish I take my daughter straight to an after school activity in another town. But I’m going to sit and work out which days I can walk/cycle to work and back, then unfortunately will have to take the car to the activity but we do lift share. It might not be possible every day but I’m going to try and work it out instead of taking the easy option all the time. I’m also a lazy person and instead of driving to the supermarket for anything less than a full shop I could walk in to town (20 mins each way) and it will help me get more active.

In short I think the tone of the OP was grating but you’ve made me think and ultimately that has to be better for all of us in the long run so thankyou OP.

This is obviously only relevant to me and my circumstances so I’m not passing any judgement on others.[/quote]
thank you, thats lovely . I hope you really enjoy it

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