To think the monarchy will end with the death of Queen Elizabeth 2

[Gingertea2020]

As an Aussie am curious to know if British monarchy can really prevail beyond life of Queen.

Recently there has been the biography of Megxit and details, intricate, of the fall out between the two Princes and their wives.

Added to this there is the Prince Andrew saga.

With all that is happening in world, will it really continue ?

I can’t imagine a Prince Charles.

I genuinely wonder why the British bother with it all.

@Alsohuman

HM did what any grandmother in those circumstances would do, she devoted her time to her grandchildren who would have been devastated, I have read that it was William's wish to go to church so Harry went too

She could have devoted her time to her grandchildren in London. There’s nothing magical about Balmoral. They have a father who should have been looking after them but he went off on a wild goose chase to Paris.

I personally can’t imagine a 15 year old expressing a desire to go to church hours after being told his mum was dead. It was a massive mistake, all the adults must have known the church would be deluged with paps.

They were already in Balmoral. It was completely private in the midst of a press frenzy. There was no reason for her to move to London except to satisfy the needs of the hysterical "grieving" public

And their father? They had to return to London for the funeral in any event. It was the closest this country ever got to wanting the monarchy gone and a massive misjudgment on HM’s part.

It says a lot about the royal fans that the closest this country has got to wanting them gone was because the Queen decided to be Granny to her grieving grandchildren for a week rather than pandering to the masses

I agree, it does. When was the great British public ever reasonable? 🤷‍♀️

I’m happy with what we’ve got. What the alternative some random that been cherry picked by some political party. No thanks

@lyralalala

It says a lot about the royal fans that the closest this country has got to wanting them gone was because the Queen decided to be Granny to her grieving grandchildren for a week rather than pandering to the masses

I agree completely - and I said as much to dh at the time.

OP

Why did Oz vote to keep her maj?

As lyralalala says

'They were already in Balmoral. It was completely private in the midst of a press frenzy. There was no reason for her to move to London except to satisfy the needs of the hysterical "grieving" public'

Plus Charles wanted to wake up William & Harry immediately to tell them about their Mum Diana.
However the Queen said no let them sleep as it's the last peaceful sleep they will have for a long time.
The Royal Family were on holiday at Balmoral (it's very private & also the RF can go round the local area undisturbed as local folk don't bother them)
The Queen, Philip & Charles wanted to keep them at Balmoral for as long as possible away from the hysterical crowds in London.
Blair talked the RF into walking with the boys behind Diana's coffin.
The Queen didn't think it was fair on the children.
The only think the Queen did wrong was to not put her foot down about the boys not walking behind their Mother's coffin with all & sundry gawking & hysterically weeping.
The Queen should have said more about her being a Grandmother & wanting to protect the boys as Diana would have wanted this herself.
Finally she should have flown the flag at half mast earlier.
However the Queen comes from a very BBC different generation, raised by Edwardian & Victorian family members who like most of that generation were a stickler for tradition, the rules & doing things properly.

It’s a ridiculous institution - it’s pot luck in the order of birth we didn’t get Andrew and Fergie as future monarchs / or Margaret before that / god knows there have been enough nut jobs when you look through their history - pampered, indulged, unapologetic and always keen to keep joe public at arms length - popping a token gesture the public’s way when it suits. Crumbs off a rich mans table etc

It’s not an onerous role they are playing - if it was they’d all be jumping out. As it is a few palaces, servants, public funding, private Heath and education, aides, dressers, nannies, cooks, gardeners, cleaners, chauffeurs etc etc makes it a very very easy job. Pop out now and again and wave - or hide behind palace walls when under scrutiny.

@Codexdivinchi

I’m happy with what we’ve got. What the alternative some random that been cherry picked by some political party. No thanks

That's one of many, many alternatives.

Ireland has a President, it works well for them. Their system is very different from, say that of France and the USA, both of whom have Presidents. We could have a system completely unlike that of any other country.

TBH, I'm not sure why a 'random... cherry picked by some political party" is worse than a random who happened to pop put of a particular vagina, but ymmv.

Blair talked the RF into walking with the boys behind Diana's coffin

Totally untrue.

William has said it was the family who decided. Harry has said it was the family, and implied it was PC. Charles Spencer who, god knows, hasn't got a filter between brain and mouth and loves putting the boot in to anyone, so would hardly be shy about naming Blair, has said it was the family.

It's pathetic - you're so desperate not to admit that the RF cocked up over handling Di's death, you'll blame anyone else, despite all evidence to the contrary. Why don't you blame the Pope or Lord Lucan while you're at it?

It's perfectly possible to respect the Queen and still think that she handled Di's death badly. She's a human being who's been in the job nearly 70 years: she's going to have got some things wrong.

Some posters on here sound more like 13 year olds with a crush than rational adults.

The RF said to the Blair/Government funeral team that Charles would walk with Earl Spencer behind the coffin as it wouldn't look right if Earl Spencer just walked on his own.
Originally Earl Spencer wanted to walk just on his own.
Prince Philip was furious & thought it was unfair on the boys. William & Harry originally said no & then Prince Phillip said he'd walk with them and it was William who needed the most persuading.
If left just to the RF the boys would have not been behind Diana's coffin but were eventually convinced of the optics by the funeral team.
(Grrr I hate that phrase 'think of the optics)

And the Queen does cock up/doesn't think at times, like the gold piano behind her in one of her Christmas tv messages when she was talking about austerity & hardship.
Without going in to great details the RF just think of those things as family bits of furniture/great great granny's things as in they were Queen Victoria's and didn't think that some people would view the gold piano as patronising/ostentatious.
Blimey if I had a gold piano that belonged to my Great Great Granny I'd want it in display for the sentimental reasons. The hideous looking ugly ornaments/jewellery will be hidden away in a box under the stairs or sold regardless of their monetary value.

I'm quite forgiving of both the RF, the Spencers and the Government of the day over the funeral (other than the boys walking behind the coffin - that should never have happened) and the handling of Diana's death

Nobody could have foreseen the mass hysteria that came with it. It was a reasonable thought that the Spencer's would organise the funeral with a bit of input from the RF over the wishes of her children.

It caught the entire country out. I worked in a shop at the time as I was still at school and it was just round the corner from a British Legion social club. The shop was advised to close by the police for the duration of the funeral because there had been a lot of shouting and yelling from some of the members of the social club about respect. The reactions all over the place were utterly ridiculous.

On display not in display.

I think the mass hysteria over the funeral was entirely forseeable.

The nation woke to the news on the morning of 31st August and the funeral was held less than a week later on 6th September. There had been hours long queues to sign books of condolence (what have the royals done with them?) all over the country, nightly candelit vigils, mountains of flowers and increasingly angry calls for royal acknowledgement of public sentiment building.

There was never any suggestion of a Spencer led funeral. There was however applause when Charles Spencer (the last word in inactive drama llama) castigated the royals and claimed William and Harry as 'blood family'.

There probably hadn't been a lower point for royal standing in the previous fifty years.

It's nothing to do with being rewarded it's who is next in line to the throne. As with the rest of the royal they have all been involved in charities. The Duke was involved with over 900 and I'm sure without they're involvment many will cease to exist. Charles has done a lot for the general population with the princes trust which he set up. I hope Will continue with it when Charles is no longer around.