To think in MN land no one should have a dog?

[bluesapphirestars]

The only acceptable dog is a rescue, with a few exceptions, and rescues won’t rehome to people who WOTH or who have children, so that immediately rules most of mn out.

The only other acceptable alternative is to make the dog more than a pet, it’s a lifestyle, involving intensive breed research and so on. Again, not conducive to homes with children.

So in short - the verdict on MN is no dog.

(Semi light hearted!)

Mine love to chase a runner too. It just adds a bit of excitement to their run surely

I'm not being serious, well I am in that they do love to chase a runner but I lead them as soon as I spot one.

Your supporters have. You've gone with , which isn't much different.

I'm not alright after reading your thoroughly distasteful thread. I happen to actually give a shit about the way animals are bred, bought, sold and treated in this country. Yes, that includes farm animals btw. You clearly don't, so it's no wonder my being upset is bewildering for you. But, personally, that doesn't make me feel like I'm the one who needs help tbh. Enjoy your lolz everyone. I find this thread revolting. So, you know, bye!

Is humour now a victim of cancel culture?!

I don’t have ‘supporters’, clara, I started a thread, some have agreed, some have not. I have used three times (four now I suppose) which I don’t feel is excessive or in any way dismisses serious issues.

I think you are overreacting, hugely.

@midnightstar66

People do confuse getting answers they don't like with being unpleasant though. There's currently a thread in doghouse where someone has listed some pretty unrealistic expectations re being incredibly house proud and wanting a large, lively and typically messy/hairy breed. Anyone that points this out is being told they are aggressive/negative and suggestions for smaller less messy dogs ignored while the OP carry's on planning the dog who hopefully will become the model dog immediately and never rub mud on the walls and jump on sofa with dirty feet.

Oh god yes, it's like MLM or something, "don't be such a neg head. They're all haterz and well jell". Only this is to do with live animals with a significant mental capacity, compatible to young children. Soooooo funny though. All these little silly people objecting. I mean, it's my RIGHT to own a cute little fur baby. They're well mean .

Clara take a chill pill.

Comparable*

Look, op, you are hell bent on dismissing me as maybe someone who us unstable, with all your faux concern. "You alright hun"? There isn't a lot I can do about that tbh. You are so convinced you are right and not only that, but that people who take animal welfare seriously are either a joke or have 'ishoos'. HTH.

@vodkaredbullgirl, no thank you .

No one has the right to a dog though.

There are a lot of situations where having a dog is unsuitable, and the recues are absolutely right to make sure a dog goes to a suitable home. They are the experts on their dogs. The fact there are so many dogs in recues is indicative of the fact that lots of homes are unsuitable.

As someone who regularly deals with dog bites in children, a lot of them are pretty horrific and a lot of them are fairly responsible owners who slipped up. Dogs and children dont mix well because both of them are unpredictable, and you have to be on constant lookout.

Its all very well to laugh, but the majority of what you are laughing at is to a) protect the dogs and b) protect others. Dogs are really hard work, they are animals and tbh no a lot of people dont have the appropriate time, space and homelife to look after an animal.

Doggy day care definitely is a thing here in the UK too, we use it if we're going to be out of the house at a non-dog friendly event.

clara, you clearly have a desire to protect dogs.

So do I: you are welcome to quote anything I have said that gives you an impression to the contrary (incidentally where did farm animals come into it?)

I spent years campaigning for animal rights before realising people ran past nervously looking anxious and worried.

Take this thread for instance. Is anybody likely to be converted by your posts? As I am honestly not being rude when I say I was both puzzled and concerned by them: you genuinely came across as not quite calm.

Is anybody asking about cavapoos going to see the error of their ways by posts like yours - or would helpful guidance relating to where to buy be ultimately better in shutting down the puppy farm business?

That’s what I’m about here. Of course I care about dogs and all animals. But I’m not going to roar at people for asking. And comparing me to an MLM?

@DishRanAwayWithTheSpoon

THANK YOU! You said that much more politely than I did. But the way people treat animals can all too often be appalling. It really grinds my fears to see the op and others having a right good chuckle at the silly haterz who criticise or do something to prevent animal neglect or cruelty.

My last two neighbours owned two dogs apiece. I literally never saw them walked (lived here 13 years and a teacher, so long holidays and plenty of time spent in the front room). The dogs looked fat, unkempt and miserable when I saw them. This is a ‘naice’ street.
I see a lot of ‘cute’ clips on social media of people showing how ecstatic their dogs are when they return from work. It seems to be a given amongst certain groups that they are entitled to a dog no matter what.

But we aren’t, clara

I did smile wryly at a thread the other day where poster after poster was explaining how difficult adopting from a rescue was - yet people kept popping up to berate people for not adopting.

It’s that sort of closer thinking that’s unhelpful, and your posts are strange. You are clearly driven by a desire to protect dogs, but are you actually helping any dogs by your posts here?

Sorry but you are wrong about rescues. Plenty of rescues rehome to households with kids (often there is a sensible age limit) and owners who work out of the house.

My husband and I work out of the house and our rescue did a home check and wanted to hear how we planned to manage his needs whilst balancing our work schedule, which we are able to do. If anything I think it's a good thing rescues are thorough and it's quite shocking how little checks these puppy farmers or breeders do. It's pretty obvious why a new dog (rescue or puppy) wouldn't be suitable for a house with young children, as in under 8. People think that rescues are difficult for caring but really they should be asking why breeders don't.

What would be very helpful is if you could provide links, Greyt

It's pretty obvious why a new dog (rescue or puppy) wouldn't be suitable for a house with young children, as in under 8. People think that rescues are difficult for caring but really they should be asking why breeders don't.

Meanwhile though IRL hundreds of thousands of dogs in the uk alone live happily and successfully in families with children under 8.

I broadly agree with the MN hivemind here. I wouldn't say "don't get a dog if you work full time outside the home", but in those circumstances, yes you WILL need to factor in plans so as not to leave your dog alone for a cruel length of time. Can you afford daycare? A regular walker? What happens if your dog has separation anxiety?

Dogs are huge commitments and I think it's right that people consider every eventuality and the potential impact on their lives.

Yes, some people convey the message like dickheads - this is Mumsnet, after all. But I think the overriding concern is the dog's wellbeing, and there's nothing wrong with that. Although you're right that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, if that's what you're trying to say.

Ps: we have a rescue dog, and I've had to make sure my work is flexible enough to let me stay at home while my partner is working (CV19 notwithstanding!). The rescue were happy with that. If I'd bought a puppy and had no idea that dogs shouldn't be left 9-5, because that's what dog ownership used to look like, I could end up with a lot of behavioural problems on my hands, and end up contributing to the overpopulation of dogs needing new homes.

Pretty much good!

I think dogs can work fine in families with children under 8. I probably wouldn’t recommend combining puppies and babies/toddlers though.

@bluesapphirestars

clara, you clearly have a desire to protect dogs.

So do I: you are welcome to quote anything I have said that gives you an impression to the contrary (incidentally where did farm animals come into it?)

I spent years campaigning for animal rights before realising people ran past nervously looking anxious and worried.

Take this thread for instance. Is anybody likely to be converted by your posts? As I am honestly not being rude when I say I was both puzzled and concerned by them: you genuinely came across as not quite calm.

Is anybody asking about cavapoos going to see the error of their ways by posts like yours - or would helpful guidance relating to where to buy be ultimately better in shutting down the puppy farm business?

That’s what I’m about here. Of course I care about dogs and all animals. But I’m not going to roar at people for asking. And comparing me to an MLM?

Well, nobody hear is barking, snarling or growling at anyone for "just asking about dog ownership". What I find very upsetting and not very calming, (since you are so concerned about me being calm for some strange reason), is when people ask about dog ownership, then they get told what to look out for, or maybe advised that a large breed might not be for them or whatever and people shout those people down, because "they're just being so negative". THAT is what reminds me of MLM. Assuming you aren't one of those people, then it doesn't apply to you.

I disagree strongly with the entire premise of your thread. I think it minimises a real problem and the laughter throughout also minimises it and also is pretty nasty, towards people who mainly IME, have the animals' wellbeing at heart. As an animal activist, I'm sure you realise that there are many, many dog owners around who should not be dog owners, and even when they are told this, they dismiss it, because their desire to own a dog trumps their suitability.

You are pretty focussed on my tone and have, it appears to me, used faux concern about how calm and alright I am - implying I must be somehow unhinged not to like your thread. I find that pretty off too tbh.

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Autocorrect definitely does not calm me with it's nonsense .

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Outside of MN I don't know anyone who spent years researching a breed. Most people find a litter of pups that they like the look of, go buy one then maybe do a quick google when they get home with it.

The puppy is then given lots of love, toys and playtime and not immediately trained to within an inch of its life - people just figure things out as they go along. Puppy socialisation is done with friendly dogs in a park or on a walk, not hideously expensive classes.

We got our current dog at 2y from a family who had to move suddenly. We just all learned to live with each other and he's got a few quirks that need managing, like a dislike of other dogs (fine he doesn't need to socialise with them) and a propensity to refuse to go for a walk (again fine, he potters in and out all day).

I do think, on MN that some owners have a vision of what a perfect dog is supposed to be like that they lose sight of the fact that each dog has their own personality.

Honestly I know I’ll be in the minority but yes, I do believe that very few people are actually able to provide the quality of life a dog deserves. Our working lives and society provide little time for us to dedicate to ourselves and our children, let alone to pet dogs

Rescues are so so strict with rehoming dogs to people with children because every day of their working life they will see dogs coming into rescue with the reason being that the dog was negatively impacting family life, dog barked at kid, dog didn’t want to play dress up with kid, walking dog interfered with looking after kid, now we’re pregnant and expecting another kid there is no time for looking after dog, etc. The vast majority of dogs in rescue came from family homes

I also think that if you’re making such a substantial decision and choosing to bring a dog into the family who could live with you for 10+ years, why can’t people wait until the perfect one for them appears in rescue? Why is there a time limit on how long you’re willing to wait to get a dog? And often I think the answer to that is that people are more concerned about gaining the novelty and entertainment that comes with owning a dog than they are with actually providing an amazing home to one

Like I said, I’m in the minority for sure as I don’t think any of us are entitled to owning a dog and I hate the pet breeding industry because I simply do not like animals being viewed as commodities to be bought and sold on a whim; but don’t blame rescues for being super strict, it is borne out of necessity as they see the awful effects of the pet industry day in day out and want to mitigate the chances of an adoption breaking down