12 year old arrested

[Pixxie7]

Do you think the police acted appropriately given that they had a tip off that a boy was waving a gun around.

Thislittlelady

Completely irrelevant to a discussion about a child in, um, Camden.

But he's not not the cheeky grinning child in the media pictures.

But he is. He looks just the same, except one is a photo and he's smiling, the other is a video (so more real-life like) and he's not smiling. Do you expect him to have the same cheeky grin in the photo in such circumstances? Do you have the same facial expression everytime? Does that make you a different person each time?

But what we do know is the photo used in the media isn't a true reflection of the child in question.

What would the "true reflection be"? An image of him in a hoodie wielding a gun with an angry look on his face?

How do you know which one is a true reflection of this child?

@chrislilleyswig

@chrislilleyswig

But what we do know is the photo used in the media isn't a true reflection of the child in question

The one in the media is a school photo. Of that actual child. Why is it so important to you that he isn’t a regular school kid?

The mother is an actual real life idiot.

She actual days in that interview that the police who believe there is a firearm in the house should have knocked, asked if it was there and waited whilst they went and got it and proved it wasn't real.

Oh yeah! So police should stand there politely and wait and see if they'll be shot or not!

Because that's far better than her believing she may be shot by professional police officers who actually weren't incorrect in responding to what did prove to look very much like a real firearm.

This isn't a race issue. It's a stupidity issue

@chrislilleyswig

Is there some reason you're using the lad's first name, twice in the one post

Because I was responding to two different posters in one post and I got tired of the saying ‘the child’ or ‘the boy’.

A better question might be why does using the boy’s name bother you so much?

@itsgettingweird it’s not the mother who is the idiot here...

[quote Cadent]@chrislilleyswig

Is there some reason you're using the lad's first name, twice in the one post

Because I was responding to two different posters in one post and I got tired of the saying ‘the child’ or ‘the boy’.

A better question might be why does using the boy’s name bother you so much?[/quote]
Why would it bother me? It's you that's using it, implying a familiarity

And guessing that you don't actually know him I wondered if it was from your gcse psychology. Use his name, yes that'll get all the people who don't share your view to change theirs 🤷‍♀️

I also don't see much wrong in the video regarding the mum (some people are going in on her here calling her 'stupid' and 'idiot' like it gives them energy afterwards) - she was simply retelling what happened and made one or two naive comments (police should have knocked, etc).

Imo she is an idiot for thinking the police should have stood there unarmed and waited whilst they got and walked towards them with a gun that looked real and hoped it wasn't and hoped they didn't get shot.

We have a real issue with increasing gun crime in this country. It's easy to see why.

@itsgettingweird

The mother is an actual real life idiot.

She actual days in that interview that the police who believe there is a firearm in the house should have knocked, asked if it was there and waited whilst they went and got it and proved it wasn't real.

Oh yeah! So police should stand there politely and wait and see if they'll be shot or not!

Because that's far better than her believing she may be shot by professional police officers who actually weren't incorrect in responding to what did prove to look very much like a real firearm.

This isn't a race issue. It's a stupidity issue

In regards to the mum- SHE knows it wasn't a real firearm, and is basing her reaction on that. She knows there was no real threat. But what she isn't doing is putting herself in the shoes of the police. It's not so much stupidity as a lack of being able to perceive things from the other POV. It's surprisingly common and I see it all the time.

And guessing that you don't actually know him I wondered if it was from your gcse psychology. Use his name, yes that'll get all the people who don't share your view to change theirs

I actually think it's perhaps more appropriate to use the boy's name if known. He has a name and is a person. I haven't used his name anyway but don't think the pp using his name is doing anything wrong. If anything, noticing and inadvertently asking for the boy's name not to be used (because it means...) is problematic. Do you prefer Kai to be dehumanised then? No named boy. Isn't it okay/better that people see him for what he is - a boy named Kai?

I’ve watched the video. He’s not traumatised. He’s incredibly bored, he covers a yawn at one point, he also postures are one point sticking his chin in the air and head back.

I’m sure he will have a good laugh with his mates about this

I’d also be interested to know if his insta account has pictures of him posing with it

Re: the mum. I really don't like when children hear "if it was a white boy/black boy...". I think it raises another generation of angry children feeling hard done by, unfairly treated and rebellious against the system doing so to them.

There's a better way, imo, of creating awareness than consciously or subconsciously making some children think the world hates them. It just creates adults who hate the world right back.

I nearly 'felt' Kai's upset/hurt/anger (at the police and system in general) with that statement or perhaps I'm looking at it from my own perspective.

CodexDevinchi

How many 12 year old do you know?

@CodexDevinchi

I’ve watched the video. He’s not traumatised. He’s incredibly bored, he covers a yawn at one point, he also postures are one point sticking his chin in the air and head back.

I’m sure he will have a good laugh with his mates about this

Yes I see bored too.

@CodexDevinchi

I’ve watched the video. He’s not traumatised. He’s incredibly bored, he covers a yawn at one point, he also postures are one point sticking his chin in the air and head back.

I’m sure he will have a good laugh with his mates about this

This is how I read his body language.

Others see it as a traumatised young boy.

This thread is illuminating to see how many different people see the same thing different ways.

It just highlights why police can't act any differently with belief of firearm.
They have to go in with assumption it's true and protect themselves.

For the record, I didn't say he was traumatised. Just restless, uncomfortable (and bored), awkward and reliving the image. He may or may not have been traumatised...I don't know. Couldn't see it from the video. I'm just reading his body movements and facial expressions.

At some point, he was doing something with his fingers on his temple (iirc) that reminded me of someone 'stimming'. As no mention of SN, I read that as awkward and not knowing what to do with himself while his mum's talking. He couldn't even mutter a coherent sentence when asked, which tells me he's incredibly uncomfortable - at best - there. That's not a cocky attitude and I've seen cocky attitudes from all ages all my life.

@Andthewinnerislucky

And guessing that you don't actually know him I wondered if it was from your gcse psychology. Use his name, yes that'll get all the people who don't share your view to change theirs

I actually think it's perhaps more appropriate to use the boy's name if known. He has a name and is a person. I haven't used his name anyway but don't think the pp using his name is doing anything wrong. If anything, noticing and inadvertently asking for the boy's name not to be used (because it means...) is problematic. Do you prefer Kai to be dehumanised then? No named boy. Isn't it okay/better that people see him for what he is - a boy named Kai?

I don't recall saying she shouldn't use it

I always find it odd and a sign of over investment when posters on social media use such familiarity

I'm not bothered by it, though. It
Just looked like a juvenile attempt at getting all the posters who aren't thinking "awww, poor wee diddums" to check themselves. Maybe it gives you energy through, so crack on

@SmileEachDay

CodexDevinchi

How many 12 year old do you know?

Lots, I’ve had one myself and used to teach that year group. Why?

@SmileEachDay
Was replying to comments made by pp.... and no,it’s NOT relevant to this, but some people make it that way.....

Codex o agree. My experience of working secondary school for many years is that children have that presentation when they don't think their engagement is necessary because they consider the matter be with them.

I'm a behaviour support worker with a county wide reputation for turning kids behaviour around.

It's not always because they think they are the big I am. Sometimes it's because they don't see the problem.

And in this case I personally see it coming from his mums attitude that whether he had a real looking g firearm if not the police should have stood there unarmed waiting for them to walk towards them with it and hope they don't shoot.

My ds has had his beef guns removed from him for weeks on end before because he wouldn't stop pretend aiming them through his curtains with the night light and pretend have a police sting set up. He was firmly told the person who saw him wouldn't know it wasn't real and neither rewound they police when they turned up to arrest him!

Lots, I’ve had one myself and used to teach that year group. Why?

Because I find your analysis of his posture interesting. I wondered how you were contextualising it.