Page 4 | To ask whether you would have and give your DC the COVID-19 vaccine when it becomes available?

Juniorpromdressqueen · 2020-07-24T21:28:31+00:00

Apologies if this has been asked before. I’m very pro-vax, but the thought of such a new vaccine makes me feel a bit nervous. Then again, so does the thought of coronavirus. I was reading an article in The Atlantic about the vaccine today, and it said 21% of Americans say they won’t have the vaccine and another 30% are undecided, and it made me think about it, because my initial reaction was, “idiots!!” and then I realised that made me hypocritical, as I am nervous myself. What would you do, if you and your family could have the vaccine at Boots tomorrow?

cptartapp · 25/07/2020 07:16

Not sure.
If vaccinating DC is going to be for largely protecting spread to the elderly like the flu vaccine then I might seriously hesitate at this time and review at a later date. Same for myself.
Practice nurse.

Tellmetruth4 · 25/07/2020 07:17

Yes. It’s my understanding that the new vaccine will be a variation of vaccines that already exist. Also although it’s being developed quickly, they will not be cutting corners. It’s in nobodies interests to do that. What’s happening is that this is a global effort with unlimited money being thrown at it. They can go through development and trial stages faster as they don’t have to wait for funding approvals or beg for volunteers. The money is there and volunteers are lining up. With those levels of resources, it makes sense a vaccine will be found more quickly.

It’s amazing what can be achieved when humanity truly combines to defeat a common enemy instead of each other.

Useruseruserusee · 25/07/2020 07:21

Yes I would. My toddler DC is vulnerable to Covid so I will be extra keen to get him vaccinated.

I have no hesitation at all.

GalesThisMorning · 25/07/2020 07:31

Very tough. I keep saying 'but hopefully there will be a vaccine soon' whenever I'm having a conversation about how strange life is now and the difficulties so many are facing around the world. Based on that I would feel a sense of responsibility for my family to be vaccinated, even though the risks to us personally are small. The risks to my children of the economy staying closed, or living a life in and out of lockdown, of not being able to hug their friends etc are large. So on that basis, yes I would have us all vaccinated.

I have friends who don't vaccinate because they don't want to pump chemicals into their children's bodies. Well, neither do I, but the fact that I and so many others do means that the few who choose not to will probably be ok. I hate that mindset and would not want to replicate it when so much is at stake. By vaccinating we would not just be protecting some old people, we would be making it safe for life to resume as normal.

There you go, talked myself into it!!

Youneverknowwhatyourgonnaget · 25/07/2020 07:34

No! I don’t feel the need at all because I am fairly confident me and my children would be fine. Obviously vaccinate the vulnerable but that doesn’t include my family.every year tens of thousands die of the flu and we don’t get the flu vaccine either. I am pro vaccine I just don’t feel I need this one

SomewhereEast · 25/07/2020 08:15

I would, especially for myself. I'll take the very minor risk of a vaccine over the very real risk of the New Normal tipping my mental health over the edge.

Interestingly one of the leader researchers on the Oxford vaccine (Sarah Gilbert if I'm remembering her name correctly) said in a recent interview that her own adult sons were volunteers in the early trials.

SomewhereEast · 25/07/2020 08:18

I understand that the issue with 'just vaccinate the vulnerable' is that vaccines generally work less well in the very elderly and / or ill, so it might be necessary to vaccinate the wider population to effectively protect them

feelingverylazytoday · 25/07/2020 09:33

@Michaelschofield

I also can’t believe the amount of people who said yes. No way in hell will I let my kids have this unsafe , unnecessary vaccine. Your poor kids.

It's neither unsafe or unneccesary. I feel sorry for your kids for having such an ignorant uninformed parent.

feelingverylazytoday · 25/07/2020 09:35

I have friends who don't vaccinate because they don't want to pump chemicals into their children's bodies
How can you be friends with such people?

Hopoindown31 · 25/07/2020 09:36

I understand that the issue with 'just vaccinate the vulnerable' is that vaccines generally work less well in the very elderly and / or ill, so it might be necessary to vaccinate the wider population to effectively protect them

It depends on what the objective is, is it to provide vaccine-granted here immunity or to just allow the virus to be endemic and protect vulnerable individuals. That latter approach is the approach adopted for seasonal 'flu, not sure how well it works, but suspect it will be the one adopted initially for any covid-19 vaccine to manage supply issues.

sashagabadon · 25/07/2020 09:53

100% yes -although I am on the trial so 50% chance I have had it already.
It is not being "rushed" at all, every stage is being completed as normal. They are just throwing everything at all. Doctors/ nurses / others redeployed to work on it.

They recruited screened, and vaccinated hundreds of volunteers in a couple of weeks. I know as I volunteered, was screened 2 days later and then vaccinated the following week once I passed the screening (which was very thorough and took 3 hours)

Even recruitment alone in normal time would usually take months so it things like this where they are saving "time" NOT "cutting" corners/ stages.

Mia1415 · 25/07/2020 09:59

@supadoopa

Really shocked at these answers.

Absolutely no chance!

My children have had and will have all their vaccinations as per the current schedule but no they will not be getting a rushed through, unproven vaccine any time soon for an illness that they have very little chance of catching or being affected by in any way.

This is my view too.

I just wouldn't risk it. I'm normally pro-vaccinations but I wouldn't risk injecting myself or my DS with something that had been rushed through. We don't know the lasting effects of covid yet on those infected so how can a vaccine be known to be safe?

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 25/07/2020 10:03

Not if it's rushed through, which is what's happening. I'm not anti-vax but it needs to be properly trialled, and there's no way on gods earth I'm having on if it's rolled out this year or next

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 25/07/2020 10:05

@supadoopa

Really shocked at these answers.

Absolutely no chance!

My children have had and will have all their vaccinations as per the current schedule but no they will not be getting a rushed through, unproven vaccine any time soon for an illness that they have very little chance of catching or being affected by in any way.

Absolutely right, kids don't need it so they keep telling us

Idontbelieveit12 · 25/07/2020 10:10

I feel really uneasy about new things like this. People thought thalidomide was safe when they took it....

localgarden · 25/07/2020 10:12

For those who have stated that they "wouldn't risk it". Can I ask why? What do you think could possibly be the risk? And where's the evidence to back up your conclusions? Genuinely interested.
I thought the biggest risk in all this is to actually contract Covid and to pass on and potentially kill someone vulnerable. What's the bigger risk than that?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 25/07/2020 10:15

Me yes
DC no
Same reason I didn’t pay for a chicken pox vaccine, the virus is pretty harmless to her age group.

Purplepie78 · 25/07/2020 10:16

Not a chance.

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 25/07/2020 10:19

@localgarden

For those who have stated that they "wouldn't risk it". Can I ask why? What do you think could possibly be the risk? And where's the evidence to back up your conclusions? Genuinely interested. I thought the biggest risk in all this is to actually contract Covid and to pass on and potentially kill someone vulnerable. What's the bigger risk than that?

Errrr because rushed vaccination programmes have been maiming and killing people for decades...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-28/coronavirus-vaccine-development-timeline%3f_amp=true

And why our government sticks in a proviso clause of compo if it all goes wrong...

www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

I have vaccinated my children, but I'm not letting Hancock's special potion anywhere near my healthy children, they've got an immune system that'll get them through

Yetiyoga · 25/07/2020 10:20

Yes I would. I am sure the oxford one is an existing vaccine mutated isn't it.

Jumblebumblemess · 25/07/2020 10:20

100% yes for me.

My daughter I am still weighing up the cost vs benefit analysis but at the moment it is going towards yes for her as well.

TeenPlusTwenties · 25/07/2020 10:21

100% YES.

All the people saying 'rushed through' don't understand why there are usually delays.

Normal process goes something like:

apply for funding. WAIT. get funding. produce for first round

do first testing. get decent results. apply for funding. WAIT. get funding. produce for next round.

do larger testing. get decent results. apply for approval. WAIT. get approval. prepare to manufacture. manufacture.

Procedure now:

governments throwing money at problem to multiple development teams with different approaches
produce for first round. test IN PARALLEL WITH producing for next round.
get decent results. Approval panel reviews info immediately
do larger testing IN PARALLEL with producing for distribution
get decent results. Approval panel reviews info immediately
distribute to population

If you take out delays for getting funding, waiting for results to be reviewed, manufacture you can shorten timescales considerably.

If you also take notice that there are a number of approaches being tried in parallel (because funding is there) then the chances of finding something goes up a lot.

Plus there are areas of the world where sadly the virus is very prevalent, so there should be no problem getting test subjects.

The only negative is that unexpected long term side effects won't have had so much time to show up, but most types of vaccines are pretty well understood these days.

thepeopleversuswork · 25/07/2020 10:23

Hell yes. Why on earth wouldn’t you. Those of you talking about a “rushed through” vaccine: have you not been following the coverage of these huge trials underway at the moment? Trialling a vaccine on tens of thousands of people isn’t “rushing” anything.

Grumblyberries · 25/07/2020 10:25

Yes.

It's not being rushed through; as many have explained, the time frame is because many stages can be done in parallel, there are no worries about funding or recruitment, every possible stage is speeded up - weeks of waiting for approval for one thing or another are done immediately, etc - not because they aren't looking as closely, but because there's just no waiting time.

Some effects will only ever be apparent after thousands of volunteers - whether that is in a short time or a longer period doesn't necessarily make that much difference.

People who don't want it seem to rely on feelings that it's rushed or unsafe, rather than really looking into the science. No scientist wants to risk problems that could harm people - they will be taking it too, and their loved ones. What steps do you think are being skipped? What data would you expect to see to reassure you? Would you have the new flu vaccine every year, even though it's just been created?

For those who think that their own risk from the virus is low - that might be the case, but you could well pass it on to those you love whose risk is not low, whether you realise it now or not. That will contribute to is continuing to spread and continuing to cause deaths in people that might matter to you. Yes, it's a risk/benefit situation, but the risks are much higher than you might be considering if you only think 'well I'm at low risk and so are the members of my family'.

sashagabadon · 25/07/2020 10:26

@TeenPlusTwenties