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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

or do I just have a chip on my shoulder?

122 replies

DeadlyDinners · 20/07/2020 14:32

DH has a friend who I find difficult company. I find him quite self centred and domineering, I put up with spending a limited amount of time with him because he is a good friend to DH and it is important to DH that we do spend some time together. DH can be pretty blind to this guy’s flaws and does not get irritated by him the way I do.

We are currently redecorating our kitchen. We really need a new one, it’s over 20 years old and doesn’t really suit our needs but we can’t afford a new one. Friend knows this. Friend has decided to get a new kitchen, which is fair enough, his one is old too and he can afford a new one. In this situation though, AIBU to think you might be a little bit sensitive to your friend who cannot afford the same as you?

On Saturday, friend launched into a lengthy description of said new kitchen, showed brochures etc, mainly directed at me. I smiled and nodded and said how lovely, as I would to anyone. It continued for around 20 minutes with things like “Storage is so much better these days, I’ll be able to fit in so much stuff in the cupboards, look at these.” Jarring, as storage is a real issue for us, but I continue to smile and nod. “Remember those handles you used to get, with fancy bits which are difficult to keep clean and not good when wee ones bump there head off them, well the handles these days are so sleek.” As the friend knows, our handles are hideous affairs which I am struggling to replace because they’ve left marks on the units, which I had previously mentioned to friend.

I will hold up my hands and say I’m jealous. I wish we could afford a lovely new kitchen. But as this “conversation” went on I felt more and more like he was actually trying to make a point - look what I can afford and you can’t. Do you think my feelings stem from jealousy and finding the guy annoying and combative in the past, or would you expect most people to find those sort of comments and insensitivity galling?

OP posts:
Pikachubaby · 20/07/2020 15:15

You sound very sensitive about something as banal as a kitchen

Ours is a cheap kitchen from the early nineties, not we’ll designed and some drawers don’t close

I am quite interested in other people’s new kitchens, as it helps me plan/imagine what ours could be

... though we won’t be able to afford it any time soon Grin

Anyway, he sounds a bit boring, but insensitive? Nah

DarkmilkAddict · 20/07/2020 15:17

For those who say OP's being unreasonable, can I just point out that if you waffled on about your new kitchen knowing I wanted one but couldn't afford it, I'd think you were the most appalling arse. Tact costs nothing.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2020 15:37

I had an in law (fortunately he's not around now) like this. I used tell myself I was being over sensitive and he didn't mean it when he said disdainfully on looking at our new home for the first time; "I would NEVER have bought a house like this," quietly just to me.
DH would also say, I'm sure he didn't mean it like that because he wasn't getting the brunt of it. But, over the years this behaviour got more blatantly competitive, with the goading and gloating, sometimes over incredibly stupid things like an "innocent" comparing of our keyrings mentioned solely so that he could talk once again about his £80k (he claimed) car giving me full details of market reports on engine tork (whatever that is)
Its not that they imply with every word they say that you must be exceptionally jealous and mad with envy at them. (Of course its nice to have a new car and I didn't begrudge him having one, but it wasn't the be all and end all to me.)
However, when you have to sit politely through their pointed remarks and they constantly check your reaction to see if each one has hit home, even if you are just being polite and complimentary.
I actually think that deep down it is aggressive baiting.

Ignoring the behaviour as it deserves means they think they've got free reign but it also very hard to shut them up, without sounding petty and they know that.
I would take a giant step back and let your husband take the strain on these conversations, excuse yourself to go to the loo or start clearing plates or topping up drinks, anything to interrupt the boastful lava flow, and maybe if your DH has to deal with it, he will see more clearly what the guy is like.
Also, you know what he's like now, so prepare some brush off comments in advance or start talking to DH about some completely unrelated topic right in the middle of his next presentation.
It's rude and it sounds like that doesn't come naturally to you but then so is he.

Heartlake · 20/07/2020 15:43

Next time he comes round just give him a breezy "hi Dave! Great to see you! Bad timing, I'm just off out to the supermarket." Leave him with your DH and have a bit of you time.

Pre-warn your DH. I think you're being a bit over sensitive but really your DH should see him without you if he grinds your gears that much.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 20/07/2020 15:44

Why do you have to spend time with your dh friend? Leave them to it and do something more interesting

randolph78 · 20/07/2020 15:47

None of my friends would be able to talk to me about anything in their (much nicer than mine) house if I saw things this way! Honestly I think this is your issue, not his. He's excited about his new kitchen, 20 mins to talk about it is not that much and most people would have just been pleased for him.

Pinkyyy · 20/07/2020 15:47

Definitely your jealousy speaking I'm afraid.

I highly doubt he's spent thousands on a new kitchen just to spite you and he was probably showing you because he knows you're after one.

NameChange84 · 20/07/2020 15:48

Going against the grain but the friend sounds like an insufferable, boring, braggart.

A bit of consideration for other people’s circumstances wouldn’t go amiss. YANBU.

heartsonacake · 20/07/2020 15:50

YABU and oversensitive. It’s only a kitchen.

You’re finding fault with him here even though he’s not doing anything wrong just because you don’t like him.

SerenityNowwwww · 20/07/2020 15:53

He probably was getting all excited about the new kitchen and thought you’d be as interested in it as he is.

I once went to an awards ceremony and was the only woman on the table. I wondered what 11 middle aged business men would talk about when the drinks flowed. Yes, it was about their kitchens... (surprisingly how fussy and territorial they were about ‘their’ kitchens).

kittenpeak · 20/07/2020 15:53

You can't expect him not to get a new kitchen because he knows you can't afford one. You also can't expect him not to get excited because you can't afford one. He sounds a bit emotionally unintelligent hence him going on and on about storage and showing your brochures, but this isn't him being an arsehole.

gettingusedtothelimelight · 20/07/2020 15:56

I know it's not the same as a new kitchen but if you have a look at the Frenchic forum group on Facebook there are so amazing kitchen transformations just by painting doors and tiles.

A cheap alternative to make it a bit more bearable until you can change it?

Alloverthegrapevine · 20/07/2020 15:59

I hope my friends (or DH's) dont feel thet cant share their excitement over a major purchase/project with me just in case I'm sorry I can't have it too. Isn't it normal to be pleased about your freinds' good fortune?

Clevererthanyou · 20/07/2020 16:01

I know I’ve missed the point but fuck me, “The kitchen is the woman’s domain” Fucking hell.

DeadlyDinners · 20/07/2020 16:02

Fair enough, thanks everyone. Seems a bit of a mixed bag. I was using this as a gauge to see whether I’d mention this to DH as a reason not to see him again next weekend. I don’t think I should as it seems some see his comments the way I do and some don’t.

Those coming on to tell me I’m jealous - I know I’m jealous! I say it in my OP. I would be jealous of anyone getting a new kitchen right now, as I chisel the grotty sealant off my ancient sink and try to cover the marks from the hideous handles. Of course I’m bloody jealous. But I am mature enough to be able to put that aside as I know how lovely it is to get a new kitchen and I could be happy for him (and his DW, he does have one, she is pretty quiet and sat there in silence through the kitchen monologue). But he went on and on for twenty minutes as described in the OP and I wondered if some of the comments were designed to get at something he knows is a sore point for me.

I will limit contact more again anyway and not mention the kitchen thing to DH, as people have said there’s no reason to see him if I don’t have to. We see other friends and partners as a couple and DH just wants to do the same with this guy. But it just upsets me - even if IABU.

OP posts:
RednaxelasLunch · 20/07/2020 16:04

The real question is why were you standing there nodding and smiling!

I'd have fucked off upstairs with my phone the minute he passed over the threshold. Or, depending on how DH would react, say "your mate is a boring sexist cunt and he's not to come in our house ever again". Either way. You don't have to pander to someone you don't like. It's 2020 not 1920.

Totally unrelated, but if you can't afford a new kitchen can you afford a loan? IKEA are dead cheap and have 0% finance on the units and the installation. Worked perfectly for me.

DeadlyDinners · 20/07/2020 16:04

@gettingusedtothelimelight

I know it's not the same as a new kitchen but if you have a look at the Frenchic forum group on Facebook there are so amazing kitchen transformations just by painting doors and tiles.

A cheap alternative to make it a bit more bearable until you can change it?

Thank you, I will have a look. I’m trying to avoid painting the doors as it’s such a massive job but the handle marks are driving me crazy and I’m beginning to think I might have to paint them to get round the issue.
OP posts:
Ltdannygreen · 20/07/2020 16:05

He probably was boasting and he can probably tell you don’t like him and it’s this reason why it annoys you more. When someone you don’t like does stuff it always annoys you more.

Fluffycloudland77 · 20/07/2020 16:10

It’s a bit insensitive imo.

Iwalkinmyclothing · 20/07/2020 16:11

Meh, I'm 50/50.

I'm currently angry with myself for being so consumed with envy over something (a friend making a significant sum of money by being very lucky and acting as if they have in fact worked very hard for it)- but even though I know I am BVU and a tit, I still feel this huge, sickening envy! And I don't know what to do with it. In your situation I would probably not have managed to be as nice and polite as you were and would either have stomped off to sulk or said something rude and unfair. So you're definitely a much better person than me!

Angrymum22 · 20/07/2020 16:12

If he is aware of your situation then he is being insensitive. If he isn’t then it’s just that he irritates you. You can’t like everyone. Men raving about new kitchens is a bit weird anyway. Cars and motorbikes yes, kitchens ,never.

Anordinarymum · 20/07/2020 16:14

As an aside, and it's only a suggestion..........

Instead of going the whole new kitchen hog, why not do what I did and get a new super hob and a fantastic new sink and tap? Just an idea?
There are lots of alternative things you can do without breaking the bank.
You can change handles on doors easily.

gettingusedtothelimelight · 20/07/2020 16:14

@Deadlydinners

Do have a look. Apparently it's some sort of miracle paint 😂

jessstan2 · 20/07/2020 16:15

You have a chip on your shoulder. If I felt jealous and hurt every time someone talked about a new venture or possession that they were pleased about, I'd be in constant gloom.

He's happy, be happy for him! He doesn't mean any harm and would probably be mortified if he knew how you felt.

The thing is to stop feeling like that! It's unbecoming and does you no good at all. Rise above!

BurtsBeesKnees · 20/07/2020 16:16

Maybe he's trying to talk to you about something he thinks you'd be interested in