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..to consider shopping my friend for her benefit fraud?!

304 replies

NadiaBaggyTwat · 28/09/2007 22:01

My friend and I both work in local government. We are quite close and I have known her for years but she is incredibly bad with money and never makes any attempt to get herself back on track. Usually her mother bails her out and she just goes on spending. She is a good hearted person, but this is the one aspect of her that I find really hard to stand by and watch.

Close to Christmas, a group of us, including said friend and our DHs are going to France for the weekend. This was arranged months ago. It's costing £200 per couple and my DH and I are having a really really hard time financially at the moment (not from overspending but problems with DH's business) so we weren't going to go but friend owes me £150 from something I paid for on my card (because it was a surprise from her to her DP and which she's - obviously - never paid me back for ) and to my suprise she said "well you can come because remember, I owe you £150..."

So we agreed to go. Anyway the time came for this money to be paid and I gave her the £50 as agreed (for the rest of the £200 for her to pass on to another friend who was paying all the money in) and she said she needed at least £100.. she couldn't afford to pay our money (that she owes!) because she hadn't paid her mortgage for months. I gave it to her (the trip has to be paid for!) but really resented it as I only agreed to go because I knew we wouldn't have to find much of the money!

Meanwhile, at work she is constantly talking to everyone about her posh meals out with DP, her tanning/nails/waxing appointments. And next thing, she's whining to me about the terrible state of her finances. And she does really spend money like this.. she isn't just saying it to impress!

Worse still, despite is both working for a government agency she is actually defrauding them! For well over a year now, since she has been living with her new partner, she has been claiming as a single person (with children). This amounts to over £100 a week that she isn't entitled to!!

I have told her outright time and again she needs to stop spending money like water and on luxuries she can't afford and START declaring that she has a partner living with her and the children, but nothing changes and she says she just can't afford to declare that he lives there. (They even bought a HUGE posh new house on this basis!)

I am so upset about the whole money thing and having to listen to her day in and day out talking about what she's bought (she shops compulsively as well in v.expensive clothes shops) all the while owing me money I lent her in good faith to help her out (albeit for another extravagance.. a birthday present she couldn't afford to buy her DP)... that... (and this is really bad .. I want to report her.

But if I did she may even lose her job, bearing in mind where we work.. Not to mention her house. And I would probably feel terrible forever.

I am an extreme regular with a (very inappropriate; sorry!) name change to protect various identities.

What would others do? Please?

OP posts:
WinkyWinkola · 29/09/2007 21:34

No way. Those who are thieves and stealing from others are lower than a rattlesnakes belly.

The OP sounds like a good friend. She's honest and loyal and has tried to help her friend who is, IMO, nothing more than a common thief with no sense of decency or honour.

Mary Whitehouse rant over but I loathe the attitude that telling on criminals is somehow wrong.

WinkyWinkola · 29/09/2007 21:36

Sometimes it takes a very brave person to stand up and go, "Oi, you're wrong," and face the consequences of going against the grain.

Sorry. I've had two glasses of wine and I'm a bit sloshed.

Lorayn · 29/09/2007 21:38

Winky I agree some one should stand up and say 'you're wrong' but maybe saying that to the fraudster is better than telling the benefits agency??

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 21:47

winkywinkola; i think alot of people here are missing the point. i dont know anything about the two people concerned, but they sound quite close, ( would anyone admit that sort of fraud to a casual acquaintance ?) its the FRIEND bit. i wouldnt to it to a friend, no way. id tell her it was wrong, and that she'd probably get caught eventually etc etc,.

why dont we just all agree to disagree and go and watch part 2 of X factor.

Lorayn · 29/09/2007 21:50

FUCK XFACTOR

WinkyWinkola · 29/09/2007 21:50

OP, have you spoken to her directly about robbing the government? Because you both work for the government, right?

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 21:56

lorayn; i do both!

(watch tonight and sunday morning....not louie & simon !)

Flamesparrow · 29/09/2007 21:57

I probably wouldn't have carried on the friendship though - it is on a par with if one of my mates announced she was cheating on her husband. I couldn't stand by and watch.

But by that statement, maybe I wouldn't have stood by to watch the fraud.

Gah. I just hope I'm never in the situation.

WinkyWinkola · 29/09/2007 22:05

Yeah, not sure if I could be friends with a stealer or someone who voted Tory either.

Flamesparrow · 29/09/2007 22:08

How do you know what friends vote? I have never discussed it Does that make me odd??

Heathcliffscathy · 29/09/2007 22:12

she isn't really a friend if you'd think about shopping her tbh.

but 'friendships' are complicated funny things and maybe you want rid of her?

WinkyWinkola · 29/09/2007 22:14

No, that doesn't make you odd, Flamesparrow. Perhaps I'm odd but all my friends are very frank about who they vote for... ... . .Actually, I would be friends with someone who voted Tory - would be v. interesting even though their values would be diametrically opposed to mine.

But a thief? Nope.

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 22:19

ww; glad to hear your getting pissed.
agree with you on the tory bit.

NadiaBaggyTwat · 29/09/2007 22:25

I'm not going to report her. When I posted I was entertaining the idea but now I can see that is all I was doing.. I'm not a devious person and there is no way I could carry on being her friend (and she would surely come to me to be a shoulder to cry on, never suspecting me for a second) knowing I was the cause.

What I am going to do, thanks to this thread, is send her a leaflet in the post about the benefit fraud hotline . And circle the section about reporting it. This will tell her someone knows. I know this in itself is devious but nowhere near as bad as my first idea. You will have to trust me when I say that she takes no notice of my advice; she just says "Oh I know.. but I really can't afford it declare it.."

So there may well be effects of forcing her to declare it by scaring her with the leaflet. She really can't pay her mortgage as it is (she lied in order to get such a big mortgage in the first place because she wanted this particular house so badly - sher lied about her hours) and she sees things like having her nails done the same way other people would see paying a utility bill. So something will have to give.

Thank you for all the input. I'm really not a spiteful jealous person, but yes, I will agree that I do balk at the injustice of it all, that some people get away with this type of thing and live the life of riley while others, myself included, can hardly afford to buy shopping but have no intention of claiming benefits I'm not entitled to. And I'm really not particularly interested in beauty treatments other than getting my hair done occasionally so I'm not jealous of those.

Thanks again.

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unknownrebelbang · 29/09/2007 22:30

Lol, why would I report a friend for doing 30 in a 40??

Thing with the motoring offences, if you see them being done, they're usually one-offs when you see them iykwim.

Having said that, I wouldn't find it difficult to report someone driving badly if circumstances permitted, or if I knew someone was constantly getting drunk and getting behind the wheel. DH has dealt with far too many deaths on the roads for me not to take road safety serious.

And I really despise the don't grass on a friend attitude, as has been stated elsewhere this is the attitude that literally allows people to get away with murder (when taken to the extreme).

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 22:32

nbt; excellent conclusion.
id love to have you as a friend.

( btw, can i borrow a fiver ?) grin]

furryfiona · 29/09/2007 22:47

sorry if i ruffled a few feathers but it sounds like there is quite a few people defending this theif for benefit fraud but because of theifs like her it is a lot harder for people who actually need them and i speak from a close friends point of view that thievery is just as bad as other crimes especially if it stops a child from eating and ive had to endure a friends hardship when her husband died in a car crash and she got put through hell just to get some sort of benefits to help her put food on the table and no hand out is ever wanted from a friend she worked for twelve years and still got almost nowt and idiots at sixteen who get knocked up get everything from rent, freemilk ,taxis to colledge lower priced electric free daycare and god knows what else so dont tell me im a racsist because i called her what i did she is a bloody THEIF AND NO BETTER THAN A BXXXXXD

NadiaBaggyTwat · 29/09/2007 22:59

Crikey Fiona, bit of sterotyping going on there isn't there??!

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talulasmum · 29/09/2007 23:06

furryfiona; x x

furryfiona · 29/09/2007 23:09

WTF i dont think so but my mate went through hell and i know of a few that i see going out every fri sat and coming back smashed and they claim benefits and work but nowt gets done i dont think everyone on benefits is a bludger either but if you dont need them and you claim them then YOU ARE A BXXXXY THEIF i mean i work and ipay my way with little or no help and it feels good to be able to know that i earned my own money and im not a BENEFIT THEIF BUT MY WAGE WOULD LOOK A DAMN SIGHT BETTER IF THERE WAS LESS BENEFIT THEIFS AROUND (HANG THEM ALL)

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 23:09

furryfiona; sorry if i was a bit sarky in that last post, but you really need to calm down.

furryfiona · 29/09/2007 23:14

AND BEFORE ANYONE THINKS I DONT PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH THOSE TWO I MENTIONED ARE ON MUMSNET SO NOW YOU ARE WARNED SORT IT OUT YA PAIR OF THEIFS YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR I WILL NAME AND SHAME YOU TO THE PROPER AUTHURITIES ps and those who defend those TEALEAVES you are just as bad as the THEIFS

furryfiona · 29/09/2007 23:16

I NEED A VALIUM AND A BOTTLE OF VINO

themildmanneredjanitor · 29/09/2007 23:19

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TheDuchess · 29/09/2007 23:20

Crikey Furryfiona, calm down dear. Relax...and breath