Are you being told to clean toilets at work?

[noblegiraffe]

If cleaning toilets wasn’t previously anywhere near your job description?

It’s being claimed on another thread that this is just part of the new normal, everyone is pitching in. I’m not convinced.

YABU - I’m being asked to clean toilets

YANBU - I’m not being asked to clean toilets

If you are, are you ok with it?

So many people on here who seem to think we can magic up millions of cleaners at zero notice and pay them all.

1. every care home and hospital, plus lots of other high risk environments, have had to take on extra cleaners. They are crucial in these exceptionally high risk environments.
2. some people who usually work as cleaners may still be shielding and not available.
3. you appear to have missed the memo that the economy is fucked. We have likely bankrupted our childrens childrens children for decades paying for this whole catastrophe. There is NO money to hire a load if extra cleaners.

Treat this like wartime. We simply all need to pitch in.

Pretty sure even maths teachers can accommodate 5 minutes of scheduled light cleaning in a whole school cleaning timetable.

Nope @Piggywaspushed, the people in apron and gloves are crew members. Cleaning is a part of everyone's role at McDonald's. Teachers will now rightly be the same.

I’m cleaning toilets after a bubble. It takes 5 minutes. Quick wipe of seats, handles, taps and buttons.

I am enjoying those people who think they are so right on basically arguing low paid cleaners out of their jobs and the opportunity to work more hours for more pay.

I’m a primary school TA, and my (female) head teacher is not asking any of us to clean toilets, even in between bubbles. We have done plenty of extra cleaning, everyone in school is doing that on door handles etc, but we were told to leave the toilets to the cleaners.

There are no spare cleaners or extra funds to pay for full time cleaners to be on hand during the entire school day.

Will try again.
What happens to the rest of the class while teacher is cleaning toilets?

No, we're not. And I would be absolutely astonished if staff at DH's (posh, all boys' and so mostly male staff) were told to.

Cleaning toilets in a building like a school isn't like cleaning your own toilet at home. I think it's reasonable for staff (in any job) to do some things they wouldn't normally under the current circumstances but not to be expected to do the job of a cleaner, effectively in their spare time.

OP

If you are indeed a maths teacher, can you work out the very hard equation of

how to find and pay for a load of extra dedicated cleaners?

Any ideas? Answers to the chancellor on a postcard

Are you basing this on Google because I can tell you it is NOT true in my McDonalds.

Hey ho.

Teachers are not restaurant staff but if we are going to go down that route, the staff in McDonalds have correct raining and protective equipment, none of which is being made available to teachers.

Teachers are no different to restaurant staff? Not skilled, qualified professionals then?

Ah there you go. You think your too important to clean bogs.

When I was a swimming teacher I cleaned bogs.

Now I own an insolvency practice with my ex dh. I’m a skilled professional with 27 staff. I still clean bogs when I need to.

Get over yourself

training.

How many times do those seemingly unable to read and comprehend need to be told it isn't 5 minutes light cleaning?

So dim.

I’m wondering about the financial argument. Is it better for the economy for large numbers of people to be unemployed and on benefits, or for public money to be spent creating jobs for them?

Why are some posters acting like teachers have been asked to clean toilets and they're stubbornly refusing?
Why are some posters so unwilling to understand that the main impediment to it are time constraints and being in charge of a high number of kids that can't be left unsupervised?

Pippety that is for your head to work out and plan for just like primary heads have.

@pippitysqueakity

Of course teachers can't clean toilets while teaching. They can do it at the end of the school day and throughout breaks and lunchtimes.

There's also the issue that, in some of the secondary schools I've worked in, students would deliberately piss (and possibly smear shit) all over the toilet walls and floors purely for the joy of knowing the teachers were being made to clean it up. Really, really not joking or exaggerating on that one.

We're being told to clean desks (twice a day), meeting rooms (before and after use), toilets after own rooms. If our clients were around long enough to use toilets we'd probably have a rota although luckily they're usually only in the building for around an hour so not enough usage to need extra cleaning...

@pippitysqueakity

Will try again. What happens to the rest of the class while teacher is cleaning toilets?

No way is a headteacher going to expect a teacher to leave a classroom full of children unattended whilst they clean toilets

People moan about the number of teacher bashing threads on MN, yet a teacher starts a thread which is basically "take us on".

I'm sure it could be reasonable for staff to at least check the toilets in the senior school my DC go to due to the configuration of the toilets (separate cubicles opening onto the corridor with sinks) but I couldn't say it would be reasonable at every school.

Practically though I am not sure how it would work with COSHH regulations.

No one I know has been asked to clean toilets at their work.
I think primary schools teachers and send teachers might be more amenable to it because their jobs already come with an element of personal care. I don’t know.
Not a fucking chance in hell I'm doing it. I don’t clean up vomit or shit in my classroom either. My head wouldn’t ask us to Do it but if he did he could have my notice then and there. I have had jobs in the past that involved cleaning toilet used by the general public. Totally different situation.
Plus what about the practicalities? Apart from fishyduck surely most people realise that a teachers day is pretty full on? When would I have time to clean the loos?

Are these people in McDonalds cleaning during their breaks??

@noblegiraffe

I’m wondering about the financial argument. Is it better for the economy for large numbers of people to be unemployed and on benefits, or for public money to be spent creating jobs for them?

Oh so all those professional skilled people can now come and clean the toilets you refuse to do ... ok